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Originally posted by BackFyr+Mar 27 2004, 08:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BackFyr @ Mar 27 2004, 08:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-posaune@Mar 27 2004, 10:34 AM
Chevy shared the f-body for 35 years and these kappas will look much different then the camaro/firebird ever did.
No offense... but the only reason Chevy 'shared' the FBody line as b/c GM didn't want Pontiac's design to kill the Corvette (which it would have)... not only that but during the 3rd/4th gen redesign stage Pontiac did their model first and the Chevy guys made the Camaro from that design.... so by the end of this whole run (and through the 70s when the Bird outsold the Camaro, before Pontiac was forced to shove SBCs in their cars) you gotaa ask, who shared the platform w/ who?

(BTW I love both the Camaro and Birdy, I am a member of a FBody club... just stickin up for my car a bit... please do't take offense posaune) [/b][/quote]
none taken.

The pontiac banshee was designed after the soon to be released new corvette. The pontiac would not have killed the vette. GM did not want a knock-off of the vette.


camaro pontiac
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220,906 82,560

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235,147 107,112

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243,085 87,011

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Production:124,901 48,739

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Production:114,630 53,125

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Production:68,651 29,951

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Production: 96,751 46,313


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Production: 151,008 73,729

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Production: 145,770 84,063


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Production: 182,959 110,675

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Production: 182,959 Total: 155,736 (Trans Am: 68,745

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Production: 272,631 Total: 187,285 (Trans Am: 93,641


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Production: 282,571 211,454

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Production: 152,005 107,340

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Production: 126,139 70,899

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189,747 116,362

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154,381 74,884

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261,591 128,304

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180,018 95,880

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192,219 110,463

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137,760 88,587

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96,275 62,445

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96,275 64,404

90
34,986 20,532


Through 90 I didn't see any years the firebird outsold the camaro. no offense ;)
 
a 220hp 4cly coupe the same size as the solstice, HMMMM commute with the small chevy and cruise on the weekends with the camaro........
Interesting thought, to call a car with the performance profile similar to a BMW 330ci a car for the daily commute. That kind of commuting I could get used to...
 
Originally posted by BackFyr+Mar 27 2004, 08:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BackFyr @ Mar 27 2004, 08:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-posaune@Mar 27 2004, 10:34 AM
Chevy shared the f-body for 35 years and these kappas will look much different then the camaro/firebird ever did.
No offense... but the only reason Chevy 'shared' the FBody line as b/c GM didn't want Pontiac's design to kill the Corvette (which it would have)... not only that but during the 3rd/4th gen redesign stage Pontiac did their model first and the Chevy guys made the Camaro from that design.... so by the end of this whole run (and through the 70s when the Bird outsold the Camaro, before Pontiac was forced to shove SBCs in their cars) you gotaa ask, who shared the platform w/ who?

(BTW I love both the Camaro and Birdy, I am a member of a FBody club... just stickin up for my car a bit... please do't take offense posaune) [/b][/quote]

Delorean wanted a small sports coupe like you could find in europe with a OHC sprint engine and they were gunna call that firebird. But GM stalled and gave him the brand new fbody chassis.
You know, there are a lot of similarities between Lutz and Delorean, but thats another thread.

And the firebird never outsold the Camaro. The Camaro was just more popular even if the bird might have been more powerful.
Actualy, both third gens started development in 75, and they both had designs for a FWD and a RWD design. Pontiac had a stronger RWD style, while Chevy was stronger for FWD but could be moved around to be RWD. When the choice came down From Irv Rybicki that that the chassis will remain RWD and that the single side glass will stay like it did on the 2nd gens, the Camaro design had to be almost redone from scratch, which also moved back the release date.
There was a major battle between pontiac and chevy to have there cars look distictive and not so much like there sister car. So to answer your question, as long as the fbody is a fbody, the Bird shared the chassis with the Camaro.

and a Kappa based Camaro would be scaraligious. A 170hp, 4cyl 2 seat roadster? No thanks, Ill take my Zeta Camaro.
 
Originally posted by BackFyr+Mar 27 2004, 08:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BackFyr @ Mar 27 2004, 08:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-posaune@Mar 27 2004, 10:34 AM
Chevy shared the f-body for 35 years and these kappas will look much different then the camaro/firebird ever did.
No offense... but the only reason Chevy 'shared' the FBody line as b/c GM didn't want Pontiac's design to kill the Corvette (which it would have)... not only that but during the 3rd/4th gen redesign stage Pontiac did their model first and the Chevy guys made the Camaro from that design.... so by the end of this whole run (and through the 70s when the Bird outsold the Camaro, before Pontiac was forced to shove SBCs in their cars) you gotaa ask, who shared the platform w/ who?

(BTW I love both the Camaro and Birdy, I am a member of a FBody club... just stickin up for my car a bit... please do't take offense posaune) [/b][/quote]
Ive read the F-body was a variation of the Nova chassis. I do believe you are wrong.
 
Originally posted by Erunion+Mar 28 2004, 10:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Erunion @ Mar 28 2004, 10:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by BackFyr@Mar 27 2004, 08:48 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-posaune
@Mar 27 2004, 10:34 AM
Chevy shared the f-body for 35 years and these kappas will look much different then the camaro/firebird ever did.

No offense... but the only reason Chevy 'shared' the FBody line as b/c GM didn't want Pontiac's design to kill the Corvette (which it would have)... not only that but during the 3rd/4th gen redesign stage Pontiac did their model first and the Chevy guys made the Camaro from that design.... so by the end of this whole run (and through the 70s when the Bird outsold the Camaro, before Pontiac was forced to shove SBCs in their cars) you gotaa ask, who shared the platform w/ who?

(BTW I love both the Camaro and Birdy, I am a member of a FBody club... just stickin up for my car a bit... please do't take offense posaune)
Ive read the F-body was a variation of the Nova chassis. I do believe you are wrong. [/b][/quote]
other way around. When the Chevy II got there new body style, they used the X body that was based strongly on the F body chassis.
 
You have seen something COOL? So have I, it's called the CHEVY NOMAD, so build the bleeping thing. RWD 240hp Hatchback 4cyl blown ecotec decent gas milage. When gas is four bucks a gallon you will wish Chevy had built it.
 
Originally posted by geronimo66@Apr 7 2004, 11:04 AM
can't tell you... :) just pray that chevy builds it.... and doesn't screw it up like they did to the GTO.
I have seen lots of things that I pray chevy would build. If you got some inside info, let a little out. That is part of the reason for these boards.
 
Originally posted by geronimo66@Apr 7 2004, 01:23 PM
I am not a big GM fan and I still hope they build this car, again without the GM waterdown, screw it up job they often do,
oh, now I know what your'e talking about
 
Originally posted by GM-10@Apr 7 2004, 11:42 PM
Is this about the new camaro????

any truth to rumors about Doraville Ga becoming a ZETA assembly plant after Minivan production begins in Delta Township Michigan????
I was walking around Doraville during the remodel and they had gutted all of the robotics out and were replacing them with all new ones. I talked to a Manager and he said the old ones were so old/bad the tolerances were horrendous.
It is very unlikely for GM to put that kind of money into a factory only to close it down after these stop gap vans are replaced. It is one of GM's oldest factories and a larger one at that. So they would be foolish not to put a new car line in it after the vans.
But knowing GM they will probably close it down.
 
Originally posted by posaune@Mar 27 2004, 10:07 PM
camaro                          pontiac

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Production: 182,959            Total: 155,736 (Trans Am: 68,745

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Production: 272,631          Total: 187,285 (Trans Am: 93,641
Smokey and the Bandit was largely responsible for the Trans Am selling so much in those years... just thought I'd share that with you people. If you haven't seen that movie get away from the friggen computer, get down to Blockbuster, and rent it.
 
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