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By TERRY BOX / The Dallas Morning News
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Big, once-invincible pickups shuddered to a halt this summer, stalled on dealership lots by high gas prices and a crumbling economy.

But the shocking 25 percent drop in full-size truck sales was just the first obstacle for a segment that was formerly one of the industry's most stable and profitable.
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Graphic: Trade-in values (.pdf)

Now, pickup owners may find that the truck-market tremors also deeply eroded the resale value of their vehicles – with some one-year-old trucks worth less than half what they were new. A drop that steep may be unprecedented, some industry officials say, and equivalent to two years' depreciation.

Moreover, the hyper-depreciation is likely to complicate the arrival of the 2009 Dodge Ram this fall and the '09 Ford F-150 this winter – all-new trucks critical to their beleaguered automakers. Potential buyers may find that they can't afford to trade their old pickups for a new one because their trucks aren't worth enough to provide a decent down payment.

"I think this bodes horrendously for the introduction of the Dodge Ram and Ford F-150, which are the best hopes to stabilize these firms," said George Hoffer, a business professor at Virginia Commonwealth University who follows the auto industry and does consulting work for automakers. "These trucks had the potential of being reprieves for Dodge and Ford."

Many dealers say they have scaled back their sales expectations for the new trucks.

"I'm optimistic because we've got a better new truck than ever, a truck that will compete with anything on the market," said Leo Griggs, owner of Park Cities Dodge in Dallas, which formerly counted on the Ram for 70 percent of its overall sales. "But I don't think it will ever be like it was – even here in Texas."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/090508dnbuspickups.1d6bc0b.html
 

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Re: Don't buy brand new Dodge Truck ever!

Whomever wrote that article is wrong anyway. I just checked out the KBB trade-in value of 2007 Ram 1500 SLT 4.7 V8 AT w/ 15k miles and no added options (quadcab and short bed--the most common configuration):

- "Good" condition 2wd = $9,630
- "Good" condition 4wd = $11,650

proof

So it is still bad.....but like mentioned above, no one in their right mind would have paid the full $30k MSRP when new. Say they got it for $24k, easily doable in 2007, in basically 2 years (since 2009's are coming) it lost 1/2 of its value. Who didn't see this coming once gas approached $5.00 per gallon?
 

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..."residual value of a common 2007 Dodge Ram 1500 SLT Quad Cab, for example, has plummeted to the point that many owners probably owe far more than their vehicles are worth.

Equipped with typical features like the 4.7-liter V-8, automatic transmission and two-wheel drive, a Ram in average shape with 15,000 miles on it – priced at around $30,000 when new – had a trade-in value last week between $8,970 (Kelley Blue Book) and $14,862 (Edmunds.com).".... :eek: :eek: :eek:
You're quoting a $5K swing there to boot. No truck is keeping any resale and with the current rebates it's only going to get worse before it get's better!
 

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This means you can get a hell of a deal on a new one, and a hell of a deal on a used one
 

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prices are way out of wack on a truck. Once the inventories get trimmed and the 2009's are on the lots in a fraction of what they had been pre-2008, things should even back out. With the huge discounts on all fullsizers, it is not difficult to understand.
 

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If you NEED a pickup to sustain your lifestyle / business this is either good news if you're in the market to buy used or it's not an issue if you plan to drive it until it dies.

If you don't need it, don't buy it. Then you won't be one of the millions that gets screwed for irrational purchases.
 

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this texas where they call pick um trucks cowboy cadillacs,everyone drive a pickup whether they need one or not and the or nots have dropped out.
 

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You guys have got to keep in mind that KBB is based on zip code. Eurohazard, you used Travis' zip code.
I understand...and I meant to mention that. I can enter some random zips in to try to see if the price will be less somewhere else....but I think Northern California will have some of the lowest prices. Plus I haven't seen swings too much more than a few hundred bucks.....and certainly not the few thousand dollar difference from the article. ;)
 

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Re: Don't buy brand new Dodge Truck ever!

Whomever wrote that article is wrong anyway. I just checked out the KBB trade-in value of 2007 Ram 1500 SLT 4.7 V8 AT w/ 15k miles and no added options (quadcab and short bed--the most common configuration):

- "Good" condition 2wd = $9,630
- "Good" condition 4wd = $11,650

proof

So it is still bad.....but like mentioned above, no one in their right mind would have paid the full $30k MSRP when new. Say they got it for $24k, easily doable in 2007, in basically 2 years (since 2009's are coming) it lost 1/2 of its value. Who didn't see this coming once gas approached $5.00 per gallon?
These blue book values are "old", try to actually sell one for 9630$



 

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This means you can get a hell of a deal on a new one, and a hell of a deal on a used one
SWEET. More trucks for me :) even though i cant afford them..but it makes it better to dream. I still cant afford to put gas in my 97 cheyenne..even with the lift i've managed to get better then factory fuel economy...but its till only 15 average...16-17 on a good tank.
 

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These blue book values are "old", try to actually sell one for 9630$
Well, here's another crack at it....this time straight from the source that is used as a "source" in the article: KBB. 2007 quadcad SWB 2wd 15k miles. It seems the prices is a few hundred less than the KBB by-way-of-msn.com price...but still a few grand over the article's price.

I am not going to claim how accurate these prices are....however how could a little "book" that takes time to print and distribute be more accurate than the website?
 

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If you NEED a pickup to sustain your lifestyle / business this is either good news if you're in the market to buy used or it's not an issue if you plan to drive it until it dies.

If you don't need it, don't buy it. Then you won't be one of the millions that gets screwed for irrational purchases.

I agree with that. The majority of people with pickups in my area don't do anything but haul their a$$ to work and take family to groceries and whatnot. Those sales should go to vans or crossovers but no, some men must feel superior and make up for something they lack. A crossover for them is not manly.
 

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If you ever wanted a pickup as a "third vehicle", and you have the cash, now is the time to jump. I am talking about a weekend trip, gee I need to haul something today, omg look at all the snow kind of vehicle. Imagine what you can get a '04 or '05 with say 60K or 70K miles on it for?! There are a TON of pickukps and suvs for sale in my neighborhood. Some newer, but some 5 to 10 years old too. The market for not so late model trucks and SUVs has colapsed as well. Even worse news for truck makers. With used prices so depressed, why on earth buy new?
 

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I work on the edge of the NW side of Chicago. Across the street sits an F-350 long bed
4x4 crew cab with a lift kit.

I've never seen anything in the bed.

Maybe the guy goes home and tows 14,000lbs every weekend, but the owner is essentially using it as a commuter vehicle that's 'badass.'

Pickukps have enjoyed a massive profit margin for decades - now it appears that's simply going to have to change.
 

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Re: Don't buy brand new Dodge Truck ever!

Well, here's another crack at it....this time straight from the source that is used as a "source" in the article: KBB. 2007 quadcad SWB 2wd 15k miles. It seems the prices is a few hundred less than the KBB by-way-of-msn.com price...but still a few grand over the article's price.

I am not going to claim how accurate these prices are....however how could a little "book" that takes time to print and distribute be more accurate than the website?
Why worry about getting some numbers to match theirs when the numbers are changing all the time. Perhaps they have updated it since they wrote the article?

This is bad news for those that bought a truck and now realize they didn't really need one. It is even worse news for the automakers.
 

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Frankly, I could care less what the depreciation is on my new '08 F250. I bought it with the intention of keeping it long term. For now, until it is paid off, it will be my commuter (no biggie, I go through one tank a month), and then I will get a commuter vehicle.

We will be buying a travel trailer next year, after we pay off the majority of our debt.

I got a good deal, and love my new truck.............. other than that, I could care less what anyone else thinks. :)
 

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I'm driving a 2007 GMC Sierra Flex-Fuel SLT, I paid $38,759 for it, and I would not trade it for any small car no matter what the mileage. I average 19 MPG 21 on the highway, driving sensibly, and that is good enough for me. I LOVE MY TRUCK and would not drive anything else. I would like gas prices to drop but if they don't I will adapt, I have my standards and they don't include a prius.
 

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Re: Don't buy brand new Dodge Truck ever!

Well, here's another crack at it....this time straight from the source that is used as a "source" in the article: KBB. 2007 quadcad SWB 2wd 15k miles. It seems the prices is a few hundred less than the KBB by-way-of-msn.com price...but still a few grand over the article's price.

I am not going to claim how accurate these prices are....however how could a little "book" that takes time to print and distribute be more accurate than the website?
Because that's what the stealerships use to see what they are going for at auction. Auction's are what those books are based on.
 

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When housing picks back up they will rebound some but not to the same level and the glut in the market must be takin care of. I bet when construction starts back up, that contractors are just going to get higher trim levels because the price is right.
 
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