overpriced colorado + canyon

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rodhotter

Discussion Starter · Dec 3, 2014

although a little roomier the new 4 wd midsize GM pickups cost thousands more than a toyota, and no manual tranny. if my 08 colly were not exactly what i wanted, standard cab 4 cyl 4 wd 5 spd manual i would have to opt for a tacoma 4 cyl 4 wd manual tranny @ $24,xxx plus tax etc + $27,700 for a 4wd work truck WOW!!! i guess they don't want to take to many sales from the big guzzlers!!

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BigAls87Z28

· #2 · Dec 3, 2014

So you want a 4wd, four cylinder, manual truck? Sadly, GM isn't chasing that market. They are going for the bulk of buyers, and I have priced the Tacoma out vs the Colorado a bunch of ways. Colorado comes out more expensive every time, but we are talking about a significantly higher quality truck with a bunch more stuff for what amounts to be anywhere from $2,500-4,500 as it depends on how much you want to add to the Colorado, but the truck just about outclasses the Toyota in every way.
It's a shame that Toyota even tries to charge these prices with what amounts to be a 2002 Tacoma.

You also cannot get a Taco in crew cab config with a four cylinder engine.

dslay04

· #3 · Dec 3, 2014

rodhotter said:
although a little roomier the new 4 wd midsize GM pickups cost thousands more than a toyota, and no manual tranny. if my 08 colly were not exactly what i wanted, standard cab 4 cyl 4 wd 5 spd manual i would have to opt for a tacoma 4 cyl 4 wd manual tranny @ $24,xxx plus tax etc + $27,700 for a 4wd work truck WOW!!! i guess they don't want to take to many sales from the big guzzlers!!

People still make 5 speeds? The 2 trucks are completely different. Canyon is almost a Denali compared to the Tacoma

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FenwickHockey65

· #4 · Dec 3, 2014

You get what you pay for.

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impala02

· #5 · Dec 3, 2014

And in other news....BigAls has re-entered the building.

Mentat Bashar

· #6 · Dec 3, 2014

In other news, overpriced Colorado beats out 100-year old Tacoma for Truck of the Year Award:

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f13/breaking-colorado-beats-new-f-150-mt-truck-year-188473/

mileageman

· #7 · Dec 4, 2014

Mentat Bashar said:
In other news, overpriced Colorado beats out 100-year old Tacoma for Truck of the Year Award:

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f13/breaking-colorado-beats-new-f-150-mt-truck-year-188473/

TotY is only given to a "new" truck, so the Colorado didn't actually beat the Tacoma because the Tacoma wasn't even in the contest. You'll see by June or so of next year how well the Colorado is comparing to the Tacoma. If it isn't trouncing it in sales by then, then GM did a very poor job with the Colorado, if its trouncing the Tacoma by then its doing what its supposed to.

carybosse

· #8 · Dec 4, 2014

mileageman said:
TotY is only given to a "new" truck, so the Colorado didn't actually beat the Tacoma because the Tacoma wasn't even in the contest. You'll see by June or so of next year how well the Colorado is comparing to the Tacoma. If it isn't trouncing it in sales by then, then GM did a very poor job with the Colorado, if its trouncing the Tacoma by then its doing what its supposed to.

While I agree with your assessment that the Tacoma wasn't in the contest, I think that based on the Motortrend writeup, the current Tacoma couldn't hold a candle next to the Colorado.

Is sales numbers the only indicator of a good or poor job? Then Ram did a lousy job with their 2014 Truck of the Year since Ford & GM are still outselling it.

While GM is obviously targeting the same market that Toyota does with the Tacoma, GM really has suggested they are going after cross over buyers.

Tacoma owners & Toyota owners can be very loyal. GM may never substantially reduce the market for the Tacoma with the new twins. Biggest impact will be what does Toyota do to compete, and then what does GM do to up their game. Competition is good for all.

I am not sure that GM planned production capacity for this truck to compete with the Tacoma. They are scrambling to put on a 3rd shift and to meet demand in the US & Canada. It is almost impossible to find a dealer with more than 1-2 midsize trucks on their lots. Some dealers in some areas of the country still have not seen a truck it appears. It blows my mind that 3 months after introduction, we still have dealers waiting on their first truck. While I have seen dealers here in the DFW area that have moved probably a dozen or mor eof the new rucks, I also see one GMC dealership that didn't appear to get their first Canyon until this week.

Some of the early forecast I saw for sales of these trucks suggested that GM was hoping for something on the order of 65K trucks sold in the first year. I don't see that as a number that trounces the Tacoma sales, only about a 1/4 of the Tacoma sales numbers I believe. But if GM built all of their sales models as such a small number of trucks, but then they sell 100K, does that mean they did a poor job on this truck?

What it tells me is that if they planned to sell 65K per year, but actually sell 100K per year, then their development cost are going to be spread over a much larger number. While I would hope those 'savings' would result in some incentives to us buyers, I am realistically just expecting that GM will pocket that profit to pour into either the next generation of these trucks or some other vehicle development.

But, in any event, 12 months from now we should be able to sit down on a Monday morning in our comfortable chair, robe & slippers, and review the first year sales numbers for the Colorado/Canyon and determine if, from a consumer's standpoint, did GM have success in the mid-size truck market. I would love to sit down in a Board Room at GM and hear their assessment at that point.

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1147cc

· #9 · Dec 4, 2014

carybosse said:
... It is almost impossible to find a dealer with more than 1-2 midsize trucks on their lots. Some dealers in some areas of the country still have not seen a truck it appears. It blows my mind that 3 months after introduction, we still have dealers waiting on their first truck. While I have seen dealers here in the DFW area that have moved probably a dozen or mor eof the new rucks, I also see one GMC dealership that didn't appear to get their first Canyon until this week.

I just checked my local dealer's website. They sell a lot of trucks. They have 85 Silverado 1500s in stock, plus about a dozen HDs. Their website shows exactly 1 Colorado (3.6L, 4WD, Z71, $35K MSRP) and that one is still "In Transit".

mileageman

· #10 · Dec 4, 2014

carybosse said:
While I agree with your assessment that the Tacoma wasn't in the contest, I think that based on the Motortrend writeup, the current Tacoma couldn't hold a candle next to the Colorado.

Is sales numbers the only indicator of a good or poor job? Then Ram did a lousy job with their 2014 Truck of the Year since Ford & GM are still outselling it.

While GM is obviously targeting the same market that Toyota does with the Tacoma, GM really has suggested they are going after cross over buyers.

Tacoma owners & Toyota owners can be very loyal. GM may never substantially reduce the market for the Tacoma with the new twins. Biggest impact will be what does Toyota do to compete, and then what does GM do to up their game. Competition is good for all.

I am not sure that GM planned production capacity for this truck to compete with the Tacoma. They are scrambling to put on a 3rd shift and to meet demand in the US & Canada. It is almost impossible to find a dealer with more than 1-2 midsize trucks on their lots. Some dealers in some areas of the country still have not seen a truck it appears. It blows my mind that 3 months after introduction, we still have dealers waiting on their first truck. While I have seen dealers here in the DFW area that have moved probably a dozen or mor eof the new rucks, I also see one GMC dealership that didn't appear to get their first Canyon until this week.

Some of the early forecast I saw for sales of these trucks suggested that GM was hoping for something on the order of 65K trucks sold in the first year. I don't see that as a number that trounces the Tacoma sales, only about a 1/4 of the Tacoma sales numbers I believe. But if GM built all of their sales models as such a small number of trucks, but then they sell 100K, does that mean they did a poor job on this truck?

What it tells me is that if they planned to sell 65K per year, but actually sell 100K per year, then their development cost are going to be spread over a much larger number. While I would hope those 'savings' would result in some incentives to us buyers, I am realistically just expecting that GM will pocket that profit to pour into either the next generation of these trucks or some other vehicle development.

But, in any event, 12 months from now we should be able to sit down on a Monday morning in our comfortable chair, robe & slippers, and review the first year sales numbers for the Colorado/Canyon and determine if, from a consumer's standpoint, did GM have success in the mid-size truck market. I would love to sit down in a Board Room at GM and hear their assessment at that point.

I certainly do not disagree with you that the current Colorado is head and shoulders a better vehicle than the current Tacoma. I mentioned sales numbers because at the end of the day those are what matter to GM (and average transaction price) and are what indicate whether or not they did a sufficiently good job with this product release. Possessing easily 7 year better technology the Colorado should be able to fairly rapidly suck up a large percentage of potential Frontier and Tacoma buyers, if it doesn't then GM did something wrong with the design, pricing, advertising, etc.

I also am in agreement with you that the logistics of this product launch are disappointing. I would have expected heavy distribution all over the country by now, and GM is still struggling to get the vehicles out. By next June this shouldn't be an issue, and we can hopefully get an accurate picture of how it is comparing to the Tacoma and Frontier in a non inventory constrained sales picture. The poor logistics demonstrated with this launch also makes me wonder how long it will *actually* be before their diesel truck is actually produced and out in the wild.

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sonjaab

· #11 · Dec 4, 2014

Not to mention............AMERICAN MADE GM vs. bc mexico made toyoto!

swagled

· #12 · Dec 5, 2014

Has there ever been a mainstream vehicle that a manufacturer did not raise production until demand was met? It will settle down sometime.

hiluxxulih

· #13 · Dec 5, 2014

I see Toyota is trying to steal GM's thunder by showing the 2016 Toyota Tacoma at the Detroit Auto Show , I wonder if it will be butt a** ugly like the current Tacoma .

swagled

· #14 · Dec 5, 2014

^^^ Current rumor is that Toyota is merely refreshening the Taco. 2018 for a new truck.

newdude

· #15 · Dec 5, 2014 (Edited)

Overpriced?

We have sold every one that came off the truck but one so far.

If you take the rebates away, and equip a Colorado as close to apples to apples to a Silverado, and then compare the price? Colorado seems like the steal. Right size package for alot of truck folks and has more than enough "truck" going for it.

$36,500 for a V8 Double cab work truck. For $36,500 you can pick up a crew cab long box LT Colorado, with the LT convenience package, luxury package (leather), and trailering equipment. Add another $995 and you get Bose and nav.

posaune

· #16 · Dec 5, 2014

What blew my mind when messing around on Chevy's website is the 4wd option price. On the WT it is a $6765 option! On the LT it is a $4050 opton and on the Z71 it is $3925. Why is the option price so different between the WT and the LT/Z71?

carybosse

· #17 · Dec 6, 2014

posaune said:
What blew my mind when messing around on Chevy's website is the 4wd option price. On the WT it is a $6765 option! On the LT it is a $4050 opton and on the Z71 it is $3925. Why is the option price so different between the WT and the LT/Z71?

You have to look at what is standard across the different trim packages. Going to 4WD may require an uptick to V6 on some trim levels, full size spare tire, etc.

In order to evaluate, need to know if you are looking at extended cab, crew cab short bed, crew cab long bed.

Difference between LT and Z71: Z71 has locking differential standard on 2 & 4 WD versions.

Hard to do an apples to apples comparison.

newdude

· #18 · Dec 6, 2014

posaune said:
What blew my mind when messing around on Chevy's website is the 4wd option price. On the WT it is a $6765 option! On the LT it is a $4050 opton and on the Z71 it is $3925. Why is the option price so different between the WT and the LT/Z71?

Actually....

The "Base" trim level is $20,995. 2wd.

Then there is "WT" 2wd. That is $22,650.

"WT" 4x4 starts at $27,760.

So, 4x4 is actually a $5,110 option in the WT trim, and a $6765 difference over the "Base" trim.

"Base" trim is 4cyl, 6 speed manual 2wd only. Can't option for the 3.6. Less standard equipment than WT:

http://www.chevrolet.com/[email protected]

carybosse said:
You have to look at what is standard across the different trim packages. Going to 4WD may require an uptick to V6 on some trim levels, full size spare tire, etc.

In order to evaluate, need to know if you are looking at extended cab, crew cab short bed, crew cab long bed.

Difference between LT and Z71: Z71 has locking differential standard on 2 & 4 WD versions.

Hard to do an apples to apples comparison.

You can get a 4x4 and 4cylinder.

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SeetheUSA

· #19 · Dec 6, 2014

LOL- I love the Tacoma bashing. I hate that truck too, but only because I don't care for Toyota. It is a bullet proof truck that although long in the tooth, proves to sell consistently due to it's reliability. Ford did the same with the Ranger. Yes- the Colorado is more expensive. It's also packed with a lot more tech and overhead costs. GM must make that investment back somehow. If they continued to sell the previous gen Colorado I would expect the price to be the same or less than the Tacoma.

mchicha

· #20 · Dec 6, 2014

rodhotter said:
although a little roomier the new 4 wd midsize GM pickups cost thousands more than a toyota, and no manual tranny. if my 08 colly were not exactly what i wanted, standard cab 4 cyl 4 wd 5 spd manual i would have to opt for a tacoma 4 cyl 4 wd manual tranny @ $24,xxx plus tax etc + $27,700 for a 4wd work truck WOW!!! i guess they don't want to take to many sales from the big guzzlers!!

you should hit a used car lot my friend

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