[HoosierRon]

NOAA Takes First Broad Look at Soot from Ships

Tugboats puff out more soot for the amount of fuel used than other commercial vessels, and large cargo ships emit more than twice as much soot as previously estimated, according to the first extensive study of commercial vessel soot emissions. Scientists from NOAA and the University of Colorado conducted the study and present their findings in the July 11 issue of the journal Geophysical Research Letters.

The primary sources of soot, or small particles of black carbon, are fossil fuel combustion, wildfires, and burning vegetation for agricultural purposes. In the Arctic, an increase in soot may contribute to climate change if shipping routes expand, according to the study.
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Commercial shipping releases roughly 130,000 metric tons of soot per year, or 1.7 percent of the global total — much of it near highly populated coastlines, the authors estimate. In the coming years global shipping is expected to grow two to six percent annually.

Tugs emit nearly a gram of soot per kilogram of fuel burned — twice as much as any other vessel type, the authors found. The high levels point to their low-quality fuel — a thick, black tar left over from crude oil after the gasoline and kerosene have been removed. Engine age and maintenance also play a role. Tugboats have a disproportionate impact on air quality because they travel within ports, emitting potentially harmful particles near populous urban areas, according to the authors.
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A 2007 study by American and German scientists linked particle pollution from shipping to tens of thousands of premature deaths each year, most of them along coastlines in Europe, East Asia, and South Asia. Soot makes up a quarter of that pollution, said Lack.

There you go: stop climate change -- buy domestic (whatever that means to you.)

 

[eurohazard]

And stop going on cruises.

 

[rozz]

What does this have to do with Toyota, Honda or Nissan?

 

[AMERICA 123]

NOAA Takes First Broad Look at Soot from Ships



There you go: stop climate change -- buy domestic (whatever that means to you.)

YEP.

I'll try and find it again - some of the other, earlier numbers for shipping's environmental impact were off (low) by 500/500 plus% .

 

[eurohazard]

What does this have to do with Toyota, Honda or Nissan?

Yeah, who knows. Obviously a lot of Toyotas, Nissan, and Hondas are built here in the USA.

Why not attack BMW, VW, Mercedes who build very few cars "domestically"?

I have my personal theory, but I am not ready to unleash it yet.

 

[HoosierRon]

What does this have to do with Toyota, Honda or Nissan?

Anchors away!

 

[AMERICA 123]

Yeah, who knows. Obviously a lot of Toyotas, Nissan, and Hondas are built here in the USA.

Why not attack BMW, VW, Mercedes who build very few cars "domestically"?

I have my personal theory, but I am not ready to unleash it yet.

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Go, ahead, post some numbers.

Here, I'll help you get started.

The European makes - including Domestic production account for approx. 6.25% of light vehicle sales in the United States.

Once we get thru all those numbers we can then turn our attention to the rest of the environmental impact of say, anything made in Japan versus the USA, Canada, Mexico, and most especially Western Europe.

 

[HoosierRon]

Yeah, who knows. Obviously a lot of Toyotas, Nissan, and Hondas are built here in the USA.

Why not attack BMW, VW, Mercedes who build very few cars "domestically"?

I have my personal theory, but I am not ready to unleash it yet.

Please tell me how this fits into your personal theory: I drive a car made in Marysville, Ohio.

I would never buy a European car.

 

[Mr. Burns]

I thought Climate Change was a big con? Or is it only when it contradicts your viewpoints and not when it enhances them?

 

[HoosierRon]

I thought Climate Change was a big con? Or is it only when it contradicts your viewpoints and not when it enhances them?

The title reads: "One more reason for greenies to just say no to Toyondissan". If you are a greenie, you believe in "climate change". If you don't, this story will not influence you.

 

[WishIhadatruck]

I thought Climate Change was a big con? Or is it only when it contradicts your viewpoints and not when it enhances them?

Maybe that is why he said it was a reason for the greenies? Because they DO believe in it. If you don't believe in it then you don't need to worry about it.

The imports (Japanese being the highest volume importers) still import a LOT of cars even though they build many here. And they also have a lower North American content average so they probably do use more ships and tugs.

 

[63GrandSport001]

What about all of the vehicles and parts the GM, Ford, and Chrysler build over seas and ship here?

 

[chevydlrmn]

What about all of the vehicles and parts the GM, Ford, and Chrysler build over seas and ship here?

I agree, and I think our Aveo should be built in NA too. It sound as if GM is working towards that, with the whole global plan.

 

[K-1]

What about all of the vehicles and parts the GM, Ford, and Chrysler build over seas and ship here?

Yeah, those pesky Aveos and Saabs, which accounted for a vast 2.3% of sales last month. For comparison, Toyota imported 40.6% last month.

 

[mjd1001]

Yeah, those pesky Aveos and Saabs, which accounted for a vast 2.3% of sales last month. For comparison, Toyota imported 40.6% last month.

I guess it depends on which toyota you buy...I guess those "greenies" will just have to stick to the ones made right here in the USA.

 

[cincygoblue]

Yeah, I still fail to see why Greenies think mining nickel from Canada, shipping it to China to make batteries, shipping those to Japan to get put into Prii and then shipping those across the ocean is "green". Sure parts from domestic cars are shipped too, but when the "domestic" content is sooooo much higher, and the Prius is a complex combination of components from across the globe, I don't see where the Prius doesn't get hammered by the left. They'll go buy their lettuce and cucumbers from "local growers", but won't even consider a car with 80% domestic content, built 30 miles down the road. Crazy.

 

[BusyBody]

I thought Climate Change was a big con? Or is it only when it contradicts your viewpoints and not when it enhances them?

Join the choir. Lets not criticize any Japanese companies.

 

[eurohazard]

Yeah, I still fail to see why Greenies think mining nickel from Canada, shipping it to China to make batteries, shipping those to Japan to get put into Prii and then shipping those across the ocean is "green". Sure parts from domestic cars are shipped too, but when the "domestic" content is sooooo much higher, and the Prius is a complex combination of components from across the globe, I don't see where the Prius doesn't get hammered by the left. They'll go buy their lettuce and cucumbers from "local growers", but won't even consider a car with 80% domestic content, built 30 miles down the road. Crazy.

I enjoyed this post. I know a lot of people feel the same way here at GMI, but this one really makes you think....even if it's not entirely accurate.....the point remains.

 

[F14CRAZY]

For the greenies, GM should offer plant-pickup like they do with the Corvette...you could (possibly) drive a Prius :lmao:, take a bus, ride a bike, or walk to pickup your new GM vehicle eliminating any pollution from transportation after its built

 

[New_Mexico_Sunset_on_Rt66]

The "greenies" would have us sitting Indian style, wearing bear skin, banging two rocks together.

Take away all our technology and industries, we still affect the environment when we take a ****.

I mean, if you carry their argument to the end, they feel the earth would be better off without man in it.

With these "greenies" there is no middle ground. I concede that we do need to look at alternative sources of energy, but we also need to be tapping what resources we have now available to us. I see it as let's do both, not one exclusive of the other.