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It spread like wildfire because people were actually excited for the car.
 
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WHAT THE HELL?!?!?
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Does it honestly take that much effort?
And it would probably boost fuel economy a little too.
Stupidddd. :mad:
A little? Try allot. I averaged upper 20's (highway) for mpg in my 6-speed '02 Z28 and averaging the same in my '02 Z06.

This will be a deal breaker for many. They are taking a great car, and making it an alsoran.

I agree. It doesn't seem like a big deal to drop one in.
 

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This will be a deal breaker for many. They are taking a great car, and making it an alsoran.
I am one of them. I am so sick of being forced to buy an automatic. I prefer a manual, not only are they more fun but I get better mpg then most autos of the same model/make.
 

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The G8 GXP will have a manual though. It's got the LS engine as well. I'd rather have that anyways.
 

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This comment is for all the of the wacked out people of GMI...

Remeber when you all bitched and moaned about not having yet another POS 2 valve manual v8 car? How you all said you'd buy it in a heartbeat. The came the GTO, and it sold like 7 of them.

Then you cried when that was gone, and then we saw the Aussie version of the G8 and you all rejoiced knowing it would come over here...

Then we got it, no one bought it again...

Then you all said it was because it was lacking a stick. Well, now we aren't getting it, yet another failure, honestly GM needs to STOP listening to the likes of GMI.
 

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Manual transmissions make up <3% of sales in vehicles that offer them. And they save maybe 1 or 2 mpg when you run the numbers. This isn't a huge deal for GM. Though I do feel sorry for those that want the MT because it's fun to drive. I think GM is weighing the costs vs rewards here and not seeing a legit reason. Aparently customer satisfaction is not a high priority for GM right now. Still no Nav or memory seats on the G8 either.
 

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I personally have no interest for any vehicle that is not the top performance trim level. That's why I could never buy a 1st year Camaro... I need to wait till at least year 3 to see what Chevy does for top model. It's also why every Vette bores me to tears now that the ZR1 is top-dog. "Hey, I got a Z06!" "Yeah, so...."

As long as GXP has a stick I'm fine w/ it. Pansies in America buy automatics at over 95% take rate anyway.

A kid bought a brand new $54,00 2007 CTS-V from me and returned 6 months later to trade it in (really stupid). My dealer offered him $23K for it (w/ less than 5000 miles on it!) cause the wholesalers figured they couldn't give away a car like that and they'd be stuck with it on the lot for months paying floorplan.
 

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The G8 GXP will have a manual though. It's got the LS engine as well. I'd rather have that anyways.
I think the previous posters missed that. No manual in the GT does not mean no manual in the GXP.

In fact, he confirmed that the manual will indeed be offered in the G8 GXP.
 

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The G8 GXP will have a manual though. It's got the LS engine as well. I'd rather have that anyways.
Some people don't want the highest package though. Me, personally, I'd rather pocket the $7k USD difference in price and have a 6spd GXP.

The bottom line to the effect on CAFE is nearly pointless. The G8 will most likely be Pontiac's lowest selling model. Even at 50K per year, how many would actually opt for the V8 6spd GT? or the GXP? Of the 20k that buy the GT, maybe 5K will buy the 6spd manual. 5k sales, in the grand scheme of things, will not bring down GM's or Pontiac's CAFE score. AFM only works if you baby it, and let the car drive your habits, which 95% of buyers of ANY vehicle won't do.

The idea behind bringing the Commodore over here as the G8 was the fact that little had to be changed to do so. From what I remember, the Commodore doesn't have AFM at all, on either transmission. They also offer a manual on both engines. Regardless, neither does the manual version of the Charger, 300, 3 or 5 series, Maxima, Avalon, Genesis, Impala... Oh wait, only the BMW's have manuals... never mind then! They already make LHD manual V8 and V6 cars for other markets, so there's no plausible reason other than pure laziness.

Silly old GM, they get the vehicle right, and they STILL find ways to push away conquests.
 

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I have been one of Pontiac's biggest chearleaders for the past few years... but as mgescuro wrote, with only the G8 and Solstice worthy of mention, the brand's days are numbered.

Unless GM can populate the G8 line with a full-range of options, it's relatively doomed to limited volume and excitement. A manual trans equates performance still, even though the sales volume tells another story. It's just too bad the cost equation won't allow it.

Anyway, without Alpha going to Pontiac, the brand's days are numbered as the excitement division. Someone had mentioned maybe Pontiac could become the small, compact, Scion-esque line... but with Scion hurting right now, Pontiac remains just another damaged brand.

The Solstice could easily be the entry-Vette. The G8 should be the Impala.
 
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