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I have a lot of thoughts on this, but I'm unclear as to where GMI's political line is drawn and this topic touches on communist politics. So until I get clarification, I will not respond. In other words, I'm asking the moderators to give us some clarification as I don't think I'm the only one who isn't clear.
 

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With the recent reports that I've seen on Nike, I wouldn't doubt that this is true. The concentration camps for the Uyghur Muslims aren't some conspiracy theory. They do exist. And there was recently leaked drone footage of them being herded on to trains.

Sounds like Albert Speer and Nazi Germany. If this is over the political line and violates the "vapid conversation only" rule, then I'm sorry. Assess me points, ban me, whatever. It's also true and is something that our media and most of our government is shamefully silent about. And it is certainly GM-related.
 

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This title is wrong.
It should say "New Report Accuses Anyone Who Makes Anything In China Of Labor Abuses."
 

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to me reading the article it sounds like GM is NOT DIRECTLY involved beyond "A" doing business in China the way everybody does AND the way the JV partner does
 

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to me reading the article it sounds like GM is NOT DIRECTLY involved beyond "A" doing business in China the way everybody does AND the way the JV partner does
That was kind of the defense by Albert Speer and of German companies like IG Farben and Krupp at Nuremberg. "We needed workers. We didn't ask where they came from." And where they came from was concentration camps and foreign workers pressed into service. Fritz Sauckel was hung for providing those workers, and in retrospect Speer likely should have been as well (he got 20 years).

I'm not in the "everyone I hate is Hitler" camp. But there's parallels here. The PRC is not a good place.
 

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That was kind of the defense by Albert Speer and of German companies like IG Farben and Krupp at Nuremberg. "We needed workers. We didn't ask where they came from." And where they came from was concentration camps and foreign workers pressed into service. Fritz Sauckel was hung for providing those workers, and in retrospect Speer likely should have been as well (he got 20 years).

I'm not in the "everyone I hate is Hitler" camp. But there's parallels here. The PRC is not a good place.
Indeed, GM's Opel and Ford factories in Germany would probably have no choice of their labour during WW2 but neither parent company could be held responsible.
 

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I have a lot of thoughts on this, but I'm unclear as to where GMI's political line is drawn and this topic touches on communist politics. So until I get clarification, I will not respond. In other words, I'm asking the moderators to give us some clarification as I don't think I'm the only one who isn't clear.
Commies, in fact all tyrannies, use forced labor as SOP. It's simply the nature of the beast. Call it politics if you choose, but it's simply the way they roll. A more interesting headline would be "No Labor Abuses Found In China."
Now that would be progress.

With the recent reports that I've seen on Nike, I wouldn't doubt that this is true. The concentration camps for the Uyghur Muslims aren't some conspiracy theory. They do exist. And there was recently leaked drone footage of them being herded on to trains.

Sounds like Albert Speer and Nazi Germany. If this is over the political line and violates the "vapid conversation only" rule, then I'm sorry. Assess me points, ban me, whatever. It's also true and is something that our media and most of our government is shamefully silent about. And it is certainly GM-related.
This title is wrong.
It should say "New Report Accuses Anyone Who Makes Anything In China (Is Guilty) Of Labor Abuses."
That is about 99% correct.

I don't know but just skimming through it, it has all the markings of what could be another major scandal.
Could be. Will it get any publicity?
 

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Australia stands to lose a lot here by speaking up but it goes to who we are in trading our coal,
iron ore, wheat, barley and university education..

It's not enough to take billions in trade and look the other way but our timing couldn't be worse
as trade with China will be severely impacted by Australia's continued criticism of Beijing.
 

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Look,for the rest of the world to get the product it need, a few eggs have to be broken and why not in a country that prides itself in breaking eggs?.
 

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Australia stands to lose a lot here by speaking up but it goes to who we are in trading our coal,
iron ore, wheat, barley and university education..

It's not enough to take billions in trade and look the other way but our timing couldn't be worse
as trade with China will be severely impacted by Australia's continued criticism of Beijing.
China shot itself in the foot by threatening Australia, India and New Zealand. The cold war is going to freeze soon
 

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South China Sea issue now looms large
India has been flexing a lot around the Malacca Straits and joint exercises with USA and ***an. The UK is also going to be flying the flag in South China sea with their new pocket carrier
 

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The CEO of VW Group proudly claimed how VW was bringing jobs to the more western parts of the PRC and then feigned ignorance when asked about the forced labor of Uighurs.

Doesn't matter that the PRC is led by a "communist" dictatorship (more of a fascist dictatorship these days), where Xi tries to garner support by riding up his base with a xenophobic, ultra-nationalist platform (which is why the PRC has engaged in territorial disputes and expansion, and is doing everything it can to destroy the culture of minority groups like the Uighurs and Tibetans, so that there would be no threat of an independence movement).

The irony is that there is little to no worker's rights in these countries that had adopted a political system on the basis of worker's rights.
 

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All bluster, chest thumping, warhawking, etc aside...there is not going to be a shooting war w/ China. Any revolution involving China will have to come from within. The facts are plain as day, you are not going to regime change any country w/ nuclear weapons...just isn't going to happen.
 

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Australia stands to lose a lot here by speaking up but it goes to who we are in trading our coal,
iron ore, wheat, barley and university education..

It's not enough to take billions in trade and look the other way but our timing couldn't be worse
as trade with China will be severely impacted by Australia's continued criticism of Beijing.
Make the break now before they become totally owned vassals. Today's rationality pays a price for yesterday's folly.

China shot itself in the foot by threatening Australia, India and New Zealand. The cold war is going to freeze soon
I guess we're the only ones who don't know the cold war is alive and well. And quite cold.

India has been flexing a lot around the Malacca Straits and joint exercises with USA and ***an. The UK is also going to be flying the flag in South China sea with their new pocket carrier
India needs to flex. Survival is not games. GB would likely be better served by their nuke subs, possibly the best in the world, and best crewed. Carriers IMO are far too vulnerable in today's world. They are the battleships of WWII: past their heyday.
 

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re China shot itself in the foot by threatening Australia, India and New Zealand. The cold war is going to freeze soon
If there is a practice invasion exercise by China of their Hainan Island, then expect a move on Taiwan this month. Then it will be a hot war.
 
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