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How the New Porsche 911 GT3 Laps the Nürburgring Quicker Than a 918 Spyder

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BY CHRIS PERKINS
FEB 16, 2021



Nürburgring lap timing has become confusing. It used to be that times published didn't reflect the entire circuit, with the start line set at the end of the T13 straight, and the finish 0.12 miles before that. Recently, the 'Ring instituted an official lap-timing methodology and certification process that measures the time around the whole circuit, which has effectively lengthened the lap. With this protocol, the 2022 Porsche 911 GT3 laps the Nordschleife in 6:59,927; under the old method, it did a 6:55.2, which provides much more context to its performance.
It shows that the new 992 GT3 is quicker around the 'Ring than the 918 Spyder and the old 991.2 GT3 RS, which, based on the old timing method, set a 6:57 and a 6:56.04, respectively. The 6:55.2 figure also shows just how much quicker this new GT3 is than its 991.2 predecessor, which ran a 7:12.7 back in 2017.

So, how is the new GT3 17 seconds quicker than the old one? That's a monster improvement for a car with damn near identical 502 hp and 3164-pound weight figures. For starters, the 992 GT3 has a lot more grip, both aero and mechanical, than its predecessor. With its splitter, front and rear diffusers, and wing all set to their highest downforce setting, the new GT3 is capable of generating a maximum of 854 pounds of downforce. A Porsche spokesperson tells us this is roughly equal to the amount downforce generated by the old GT3 RS, and far more than the old GT3, which could create up to 342 pounds.

The front and rear tires on this new GT3 are also 10mm wider than before, and the front track width has grown by an additional 1.9 inches, increasing lateral grip significantly. And Porsche has an ace up its sleeve—Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R tires. These tires—which carry a Porsche N0 spec and are available as an option on the new GT3—are much grippier than the standard Cup 2s the car comes with. Porsche GT cars boss Andreas Preuninger told media that he estimates a good five seconds of lap time came from the tires alone. The Cup 2 R is seemingly perfect for setting Nürburgring lap times, as that's what the 991 GT2 RS and GT3 RS wore for their sub-7-minute laps, as did the production-car record-holding Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series. It's worth noting that the Porsche 918 Spyder wore regular Cup 2s for its lap time. If Michelin were to make a Cup 2 R for the 918 Spyder, it could lap the 'Ring quicker than this new GT3.
 

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I wonder what will they do with RS version? How much weight they can save. I doubt engine will be much more powerful. Maybe bigger spoilers
 

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I wonder what will they do with RS version? How much weight they can save. I doubt engine will be much more powerful. Maybe bigger spoilers
An epic run...
That is awesome, Chevrolet really needs to start running like Porsche, a Le Mans style qualifying instead of a cold start cold tires run...
 

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I'd like to see the driver's heartbeat displayed on that dashboard. Great video.
 

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I guess we're at a point where if we just repeat a lie over and over again it somehow becomes true....its no wonder why we are where we are as a society.

C6Z going about 70 at start of lap:

ZL1 1LE about 70 at lap start:
 

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I guess we're at a point where if we just repeat a lie over and over again it somehow becomes true....its no wonder why we are where we are as a society.

C6Z going about 70 at start of lap:

ZL1 1LE about 70 at lap start:
Only took 3 posts into a thread about the Ring for a certain poster to start crapping on about a chevy lol FFS and they get annoyed when we call them fanbois :D
 

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Only took 3 posts into a thread about the Ring for a certain poster to start crapping on about a chevy lol FFS and they get annoyed when we call them fanbois :D
I know right? We can't just talk about the 911 pushing the limits of what we thought was possible w/ the rear engine layout we just had to drag the Corvette into the damn conversation with the same tired ass "cold start" excuse that got brought up in the last 2 'ring threads.

With the 911 GT3 surpassing the 918, it makes me wonder what the inevitable, more powerful GT2 would do or what they could do with a 918 successor if they ever do one. Maybe they'll oneday do some quad motored EV hypercar that ends up breaking into the 5s.
 

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I know right? We can't just talk about the 911 pushing the limits of what we thought was possible w/ the rear engine layout we just had to drag the Corvette into the damn conversation with the same tired ass "cold start" excuse that got brought up in the last 2 'ring threads.

With the 911 GT3 surpassing the 918, it makes me wonder what the inevitable, more powerful GT2 would do or what they could do with a 918 successor if they ever do one. Maybe they'll oneday do some quad motored EV hypercar that ends up breaking into the 5s.
I'm intrigued by the stuff Porsche manage to come up with to keep their insanely loyal fanbase of the 911 interested

Yeah quad motor electric hybrid , or just pure EV ?

Either one would be insane
 

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An epic run...
That is awesome, Chevrolet really needs to start running like Porsche, a Le Mans style qualifying instead of a cold start cold tires run...
GM stopped doing the standing start years ago, the first C6 Z06 lap time at the ring was a standing start and the later run with the C6 Z06 running a 7:22 was a rolling start.
 

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Only took 3 posts into a thread about the Ring for a certain poster to start crapping on about a chevy lol FFS and they get annoyed when we call them fanbois :D
To make things par for the course the post wasn't even correct, my biggest problem with fan boy culture is the lack of objectivity with their opinions.
 

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To make things par for the course the post wasn't even correct, my biggest problem with fan boy culture is the lack of objectivity with their opinions.
Good point. Tell me me how you would put something like this run of a new Porsche vs. a 2013 Porsche objectively
 

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Good point. Tell me me how you would put something like this run of a new Porsche vs. a 2013 Porsche objectively
Where the lap times start and where they finish use to be in different spots on the track, they changed that and this is the difference. They posted two lap times for the new GT3 car one based on the old start/finish and one based on the new one. This isn't the same thing as starting from a standing start.
 

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You know the real story about the reduction in lap times for modern sports cars really comes down to the tires, which is something that is almost never mentioned. You get all of the company marketing about how they weighed every nut and bolt in order to make a precise track weapon when really 90-95% of the lap time gain is coming from the tires and often working against the added weight for all of those luxury features your track weapon needs these days.

Then again this should be expected as Porsche is trying to sell a new Porsche and not new tires that they don't even make.
 

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Wow thats very fast can remember a Zakespeed Ford Capri doing it in 7:08.59 round the Ring in 1982, that record got broken by a Porsche 956 a next year later with a 6:11.13 in 1983 both were not production cars but then they never had the onboard computer assist aids of today.
 
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Wow thats very fast can remember a Zakespeed Ford Capri doing it in 7:08.59 round the Ring in 1982, that record got broken by a Porsche 956 a next year later with a 6:11.13 in 1983 both were not production cars but then they never had the onboard computer assist aids of today.
If you recall the group B cars of that Era, drivers had bronze bolls back then, those were extremely dangerous cars with no tires to speak off by today’s standards, plus turbos that kicked boost like rocket motors somewhere mid range... and loads of power..
 

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Wow thats very fast can remember a Zakespeed Ford Capri doing it in 7:08.59 round the Ring in 1982, that record got broken by a Porsche 956 a next year later with a 6:11.13 in 1983 both were not production cars but then they never had the onboard computer assist aids of today.
They had the benefit of being light weight with lots of power and good drivers behind the wheel.
 
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