i thought the CTS was built on the omega platform of which Holden engineers had a great deal of input in?Originally posted by mason@Nov 8 2003, 04:29 AM
I just got my copy of Automobile Magazine and they said a couple of things like:
"GM managed to avoid the UAW"
and
"It's sad that they had to go to Australia to get it"
But at least we got it!
Now maybe we can hire Holden engineers and workers to build all of our performance cars, just keep the guys who did the Corvette and Cadillac CTS. :ninja:
Much Praise Heaped on the GTO by Motor Trend
Motor Trend LOVES the GTO. They also LOVE the Interior.
The one thing that kept irking me, however, as I was reading through the article, was that the more praise they heaped on the build quality, panel gaps, and upholstery ("at a level not seen in decades from GM"), the more it became painfully clear WHY it is so well put together.....:
It's not built by Unions in the U.S.A. and not engineered by guys in Detroit, but made Down Under, where they apparently care more about the quality of their interiors. That's the painful truth. Pick up a copy of Motor Trend off your local magazine rack and see if I'm not right.
They don't mention this fact (I don't think), but this point struck me hard.
Unfortunately, we may well have to wait DECADES before the UAW and Detroit white collars build an interior like the Monaro's. (Well, the CTS is pretty darned good)
Whether it be the fault of Beancounters, Engineers, the UAW, or all 3 in the U.S., there is no excuse why Holden should be able to garner such praise over GM North America.
Someone in Detroit's design, R&D, or assembly lines, must be sweating, reading all of the well-deserved praise for "GM" in that article.
Kudos to Holden, may they be a model for GM here.
:zippy:
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Yeah, yeah, I know it's not fair to compare an 18,000 dollar Sunfire to a 32,000 dollar GTO, but I'm just saying...
The one thing that kept irking me, however, as I was reading through the article, was that the more praise they heaped on the build quality, panel gaps, and upholstery ("at a level not seen in decades from GM"), the more it became painfully clear WHY it is so well put together.....:
It's not built by Unions in the U.S.A. and not engineered by guys in Detroit, but made Down Under, where they apparently care more about the quality of their interiors. That's the painful truth. Pick up a copy of Motor Trend off your local magazine rack and see if I'm not right.
They don't mention this fact (I don't think), but this point struck me hard.
Unfortunately, we may well have to wait DECADES before the UAW and Detroit white collars build an interior like the Monaro's. (Well, the CTS is pretty darned good)
Whether it be the fault of Beancounters, Engineers, the UAW, or all 3 in the U.S., there is no excuse why Holden should be able to garner such praise over GM North America.
Someone in Detroit's design, R&D, or assembly lines, must be sweating, reading all of the well-deserved praise for "GM" in that article.
Kudos to Holden, may they be a model for GM here.
:zippy:
Yeah, yeah, I know it's not fair to compare an 18,000 dollar Sunfire to a 32,000 dollar GTO, but I'm just saying...
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i thought the CTS was built on the omega platform of which Holden engineers had a great deal of input in? [/b][/quote]Originally posted by Blaze_427+Nov 22 2003, 11:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Blaze_427 @ Nov 22 2003, 11:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-mason@Nov 8 2003, 04:29 AM
I just got my copy of Automobile Magazine and they said a couple of things like:
"GM managed to avoid the UAW"
and
"It's sad that they had to go to Australia to get it"
But at least we got it!
Now maybe we can hire Holden engineers and workers to build all of our performance cars, just keep the guys who did the Corvette and Cadillac CTS. :ninja:
The Catera was in the Omega Chasis, the CTS is in a premiere RWD platform called Sigma
The Catera was in the Omega Chasis, the CTS is in a premiere RWD platform called SigmaOriginally posted by gerardo_zg+Nov 23 2003, 02:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gerardo_zg @ Nov 23 2003, 02:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>@Nov 8 2003, 04:29 AM
I just got my copy of Automobile Magazine and they said a couple of things like:
"GM managed to avoid the UAW"
and
"It's sad that they had to go to Australia to get it"
But at least we got it!
Now maybe we can hire Holden engineers and workers to build all of our performance cars, just keep the guys who did the Corvette and Cadillac CTS. :ninja:
i thought the CTS was built on the omega platform of which Holden engineers had a great deal of input in?
[/b][/quote]but the sigma is the platform from which the VE or whatever was derived, right? i read somewhere, i think C/D, that the GTO and monaro are based off a 10-year old RWD platform. someone care to clear this up?
That does look really nice. Some shots of the GTO make me think "Do I like this?" while most make me think "I REALLY like this!" I need to see one of these in person so I can make up my mind :blink:Originally posted by Odin@Nov 22 2003, 10:48 AM
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The Catera was in the Omega Chasis, the CTS is in a premiere RWD platform called SigmaOriginally posted by gerardo_zg+Nov 23 2003, 02:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gerardo_zg @ Nov 23 2003, 02:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>@Nov 8 2003, 04:29 AM
I just got my copy of Automobile Magazine and they said a couple of things like:
"GM managed to avoid the UAW"
and
"It's sad that they had to go to Australia to get it"
But at least we got it!
Now maybe we can hire Holden engineers and workers to build all of our performance cars, just keep the guys who did the Corvette and Cadillac CTS. :ninja:
i thought the CTS was built on the omega platform of which Holden engineers had a great deal of input in?
[/b][/quote]sorry, my bad. i meant sigma.
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