[BlackGTP]

Freaking GM.

 

[pontiacgt02]

I think its also interesting where these magazines call GM out for all kinds of stuff they never call other makes for or don't even mention things. One is how GM uses keyless entry on all the doors (the little button), I don't think any of these competitors have this. My 2016 Gen2 cruze had it on all 4 doors also

The mags and critics call out stuff that most people could care less about. Like the lower plastic on the door. Not one person I know ever cared about the lower plastic. Besides that every car I've been they pretty much looks and feel the same.

 

[1958carnut]

The new Equinox is nice but could have been better. I read through some of their own commentary and their results and I tend to think that yes, there is a bias here. Any one of these would make a fine purchase I think and they tend to over-blow things. I personally don't find any of the traits they carry on about in my Rogue other than it being noisy on hard acceleration. Hello, it it a four cylinder engine fer cryin' out loud.

 

[VS Ute 5Litre]

I think its also interesting where these magazines call GM out for all kinds of stuff they never call other makes for or don't even mention things. One is how GM uses keyless entry on all the doors (the little button), I don't think any of these competitors have this. My 2016 Gen2 cruze had it on all 4 doors also

The mags and critics call out stuff that most people could care less about. Like the lower plastic on the door. Not one person I know ever cared about the lower plastic. Besides that every car I've been they pretty much looks and feel the same.

In order to improve your image ( and believe me GM has a bad image when it comes to cheap materials) you don't just match competition ( "good enough" cars) you go out of your way to better the competition and spend money on little things no one notices

Remember how cheap and nasty Korean cars from Hyundai and Kia were?

Well thats pretty much where many GM releases are now and the Korean giant has over taken them in the quality perception stakes.

GM should forget the share price for a bit and concentrate on making their perceived quality best in class instead of "just ok"

Sales will come afterwards when customers see how much better your vehicles are compared to the competition

Right now it seems GM is only getting it's sales from lifetime GM owners who put up with it

 

[1958carnut]

In order to improve your image ( and believe me GM has a bad image when it comes to cheap materials) you don't just match competition ( "good enough" cars) you go out of your way to better the competition and spend money on little things no one notices

Remember how cheap and nasty Korean cars from Hyundai and Kia were?

Well thats pretty much where many GM releases are now and the Korean giant has over taken them in the quality perception stakes.

GM should forget the share price for a bit and concentrate on making their perceived quality best in class instead of "just ok"


Sales will come afterwards when customers see how much better your vehicles are compared to the competition

Right now it seems GM is only getting it's sales from lifetime GM owners who put up with it

And if they were to work earnestly on these other things that we all hound them for, the stock price would not be worrisome.

 

[VS Ute 5Litre]

And if they were to work earnestly on these other things that we all hound them for, the stock price would not be worrisome.

Correct

The bean counters have always been pretty influential at GM but even more so lately

 

[VS Ute 5Litre]

And if they were to work earnestly on these other things that we all hound them for, the stock price would not be worrisome.

Correct

The bean counters have always been pretty influential at GM but even more so lately

 

[jpd80]

First off,
I try not to take Road and Track seriously as their cirtisism is harsh only to illicit a response
from supporters and critics alike. Just look at the shabby piece done on Ranger where they
tried to tear it down as a hack but ended up begrudgingly calling Ranger OK...
(Ford mustn't be advertising with MotorTrend, hence the poor review...)

The thing that concerns me is that the Chevrolet Equinox is getting strong sales (ie over 32K)
So does that mean that Chevrolet buyers are comfortable with what's on offer or is there
a kick in the head coming with lower than expected resale value?

Regardless of us considering Equinox substandard, actual buyers seem to be embracing it
So GM will be encouraged that it did the right thing and congratulate itself for being cheap...

 

[Brglotus]

I think GM has only a little more time before the loyal customers take notice and those that could care less about cars will eventually move to other brands. I've been a GM fan since my first car and have owned nothing but GM products until now I own FCA and Ford products. I had several uncles who were also die hard GM fans who've all have jumped to other brands.

You get tired defending a company who always says wait for the next redesign. I remember reading on here that the new Malibu was to look like a $50,000 to $60,000 car but when I saw it there's no way that car looked that expensive. As I've said before GM needs to do what FCA did and put higher end interior materials in their cars. They really need to find a new design language too.

 

[eaton53]

I've only driven one version of the Nox... the diesel.
It made me sad. It's a gutless lump compared to the 2.0TD in my Cruze.

I'm glad I got it while the getting was good...

 

[DequindreToo]

To be fair, this is a horrid class of vehicle to begin with. They're all tuned for efficiency, and engineered to be relatively inexpensive.

 

[AutoCrazy]

At 25% off MSRP you bet they're moving. A well equipped 2019 Equinox LT AWD at $24k out the door will sell. Call it low rent, under-powered or whatever. You can't get a similarly equipped, compact, AWD, CUV for less.

 

[DaBangBang]

The Equinox/Terrain are jokes even compared to the models they replaced. Besides poor FE, I loved my 2013 Terrain but the new Terrain is so low rent I would never consider one. Same with Acadia. Had to step up to the Enclave to get a decent crossover at Buick/GMC dealer.

By low rent, are you referring to the panoramic roof w/ power sunshade, 360 surround vision, wireless charger, heated /ventilated front seats, heated rear seats, heated steering wheel, heated outside mirrors, hands free hatch open/close, Bose audio, dual zone HVAC, all LED lighting inside and out, auto hi beam activation, memory settings, hidden storage well beneath cargo floor, auto park assist, capless fuel fill, full safety suite, 19' alloy wheels.....or some other inconsequential feature? If you cannot afford those features, that is your issue...not the fault of the vehicle. If you shop the $25K version then don't be surprised at "low rent" impression. BTW...my 2018 replaced my 2015...which replaced my 2013...all Denali trim Apparently I am missing the 'joke". Only things missing on the 2018 vs the 2015 are lighted doorsills and sliding rear seat. And BTW my combined FE is 23MPG vs 21 for the 2015.

unkillsam, Criticalmass just ROASTED you. And everything he said was spot on. A neighbor down the road has a new Terrain and loves it like its one of her children. Real talk, her husband was complaining because he thinks she's loves the Terrain more than him. LOL

I've never seen such a bunch of whiny people. Buy a vehicle in its most basic form and complain that they didn't thrown in the kitchen sink. Perhaps its my weird way of thinking but when I buy, I buy top of the line or a level below. People here are so full of **** you can smell it thru the screen.

 

[DaBangBang]

I thought the final ranking of the Toyota at 4th was rather interesting. The ranking seems quite a contrast to their own comments: "The RAV4 is another new model that's disappointing on the road. The old model was never a segment performance leader, but we're nonetheless pretty bummed that Toyota's engineers didn't appear to do as much work as its designers. Despite all its horsepower, the Toyota's new engine seems outmatched. The buzzy engine "feels like it's straining when you ask for modest acceleration, and after every rough upshift, the engine seems to be struggling to keep the momentum," Evans said. The RAV4's ride quality is bottom of the pack, too, with lots of head toss, gut jiggle, and a fair amount of roll through corners. We expected better."

They also called the RAV4's sticker of $38,865 "eye watering" and said that this price would be kept in mind during the final ranking. And the cabin, unlike the Chevy's, was called "cramped." But they still ranked it 4th.

The thing that concerns me is that the Chevrolet Equinox is getting strong sales (ie over 32K)
So does that mean that Chevrolet buyers are comfortable with what's on offer or is there
a kick in the head coming with lower than expected resale value?

No. What it means is that many of the magazines are on a cycle of payola. Bottom line GM needs to advertise more in these rags or continue getting hosed on the reviews. Read the excerpt from ksr's post regarding the Rav4. How the hell are they ragging on that vehicle so much and it still come in 4th outta 8 vehicles. If that rake over the coals gets you 4th, how can you take anything said seriously after that? I bewilders the hell out of me what they think they are testing most of the time. Take a look at consumer reviews of the Equinox and you will, in many cases, think they are describing a $50+K vehicle the praise some people put on it. Time some one just says it. Motor Trend has had its day. Its gone.

 

[SAngelo]

This is garbage, these magazines hate GM ! I'm leasing a 2019 Equinox LT 1.5 turbo with the package that has the panoramic sunroof and roofracks. The interior is well constructed, sure it has hard plastics but soft touch materials in all the right places. The 1.5 turbo also has plenty of power, its quiet, handles great and has an awesome ride. Its a beautiful SUV, my only issue is they need to make more equipment standard and lower the price. Over the summer i rented a Nissan Rogue, all i heard was the whining CVT and it did not drive nearly as well as the Equinox. I also rode in a new CRV uber, it was noisy and did not ride as well as my Equinox. Maybe I'm missing something but why did Chevy sell over 337,000 Equinoxes in 2018 ? It finished 3rd behind the CRV and RAV4. Honda sold over 370k CRVs. Not bad, GM must be doing something right. I'm tired of the hate for American cars, epecially GM !

 

[BORG]

They are selling very well, but that's not necessarily because people are seeking them out. Like Nissan, I'm sure GM is just doing a good job selling them as cheaply and to as many non-retail customers as possible. The Equinox is otherwise hardly the most appealing vehicle in this segment, it's the cheapest looking and most appliance-like design with the fewest noteworthy attributes like high quality, performance, fuel economy, amenities, etc.

But you can also look at it this way, the Ford Escape would have undoubtedly placed last if it was invited. Irrelevancy is even worse.

 

[mjd1001]

No. What it means is that many of the magazines are on a cycle of payola. Bottom line GM needs to advertise more in these rags or continue getting hosed on the reviews.

I see a LOT of GM advertising in the car mags already. I got a new Motor Trend in the mail today, and the actual cover of the mag was a 'fake' cover page that was an actual GM ad.+

I also have seen some reviews and comparisons involving GM products where they don't finish last...so I dont' see a bias against GM. Of course, if you bought an Equinox or Terrain and love it...and someone tells you there are better options...you are naturally going to think there is a bias. From my personal experience, I don't have a problem with the rankings. In the past 5 years, our family has bought a few new crossovers...and on 3 seperate occasions (including about a month ago) I test drove a GM crossover (a month ago it was an AWD Equinox redline edition with the 2.0 turbo engine). Every time, I find the vehicle to be "OK" but for what we want and what it cost..we always find something else that is a better bargain...or just a plain better vehicle in the class.

I grew up in GM Vehicles. Still to this day, most of my new car purchases have been GM vehicles. I come to this forum and make comments (some people say complain) because I really REALLY want GM to do better. But, having test driven them back to back with competitors (or spending a lot of time in my parent's Equinox)...and comparing it to a comparably priced CR-V or Mazda CX-5 (which we just bought our second one), I personally find a lot to agree with the article on.

 

[DaBangBang]

I see a LOT of GM advertising in the car mags already. I got a new Motor Trend in the mail today, and the actual cover of the mag was a 'fake' cover page that was an actual GM ad.+

I also have seen some reviews and comparisons involving GM products where they don't finish last...so I dont' see a bias against GM. Of course, if you bought an Equinox or Terrain and love it...and someone tells you there are better options...you are naturally going to think there is a bias. From my personal experience, I don't have a problem with the rankings. In the past 5 years, our family has bought a few new crossovers...and on 3 seperate occasions (including about a month ago) I test drove a GM crossover (a month ago it was an AWD Equinox redline edition with the 2.0 turbo engine). Every time, I find the vehicle to be "OK" but for what we want and what it cost..we always find something else that is a better bargain...or just a plain better vehicle in the class.

I grew up in GM Vehicles. Still to this day, most of my new car purchases have been GM vehicles. I come to this forum and make comments (some people say complain) because I really REALLY want GM to do better. But, having test driven them back to back with competitors (or spending a lot of time in my parent's Equinox)...and comparing it to a comparably priced CR-V or Mazda CX-5 (which we just bought our second one), I personally find a lot to agree with the article on.

I don't. I think they do nothing but show bias in the negative when it comes to GM. God knows we saw it constantly concerning Toyota in the positive versus GM back in the 90s and early 2000s, and look how that turned out. Consumer Reports being called out at one point for not even having tested many Toyotas, and just giving the, high marks for perception reasons. Then, in '04 the shoe dropped. Class Action Suit #1 with engine sludge. Then in 2009. Class action suit for unintended acceleration. All of that sings to quality. All of that sings to nothing special. And perhaps the vehicles that they were being compared to were getting a bad rap for the sake of lies.

Equinox is a nice vehicle. If one buys an LS and expects the quality of a Premiere. They are idiots

 

[Mr.Buttons]

Anyone who still reads theses ragazines and still take their word as the gospel need to be taken out back as quickly as they did the Equinox.

 

[caddycruiser]

As expected to be honest

Equinox should have been much better

GM has let it's customers down yet again by launching a "good enough" product

They should be launching class leading product

Exactly! Err, current "all new" Silverado that keeps getting last place in every review and embarrassing remarks...but let's not be honest.

Has anyone here (aside from a handful) actually DRIVEN all of these?

Honesty is key. The Equinox is a shame, as are most current gen GM products, vs. what they should be. The last gen was nicer, despite heft and lower mpg's. Current GM trait "the old one was nicer..."

No calling a baby ugly? Great. Let's never speak honestly about anything ever, and always have jaded glasses on.

Facts, even the Cherokee was complimented on what it does well...shame it was a base model turbo. Not every car works for everyone. Hence GMI. But be honest...

Go drive all these, check the pricing, and see...

No review is gospel. It's a recommendation. Drive, test and price anything, to see what you think. Keep eyes open, and not "I can only buy one brand...no matter what..." Love your Equinox? Great. But don't think there aren't better products out there. It's called a comparison...