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VERY interesting #'s to me.

1) 72% of people are interested in Hybrids.
- than a "bombshell" is revealed that an average hybrid costs $5,000 more than a regular car
2) Now only 46% are still interested in Hybrids.

But these are probably the same people that think nothing of a $1,300 sunroof, or $550 "paint protection" package, or $900 window etching, or.......... Those things add up too. :rolleyes:
 

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"High" gas prices make people do stupid things.

From a recent comparison of mine:

After 5 years...
Cost to own Prius: $54k
Cost to own Corolla: $47k
Cost to own Cobalt: $42k
 

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"High" gas prices make people do stupid things.

From a recent comparison of mine:

After 5 years...
Cost to own Prius: $54k
Cost to own Corolla: $47k
Cost to own Cobalt: $42k
Care to share the breakdown? I am going to run some numbers too....not to "prove" you wrong or anything. I am kind of curious my self. It'll be interesting how close/far-away they are.
 

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It's not about just selling people on a hybrid to save on fuel.

It's about selling the image of a hybrid because you think you are saving fuel and helping to protect the environment.
That's the ONLY way GM's going to sell the Volt at $40,000.

I saw on CNN a week or so ago that at current gas prices, the amount to make up the cost differential on a Prius in gas savings is 1.5 years. For an Aura... it s was some ridiculous amount. I want to say 17 years or something.
 

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Did you know the carbon footprint (which everyone is talking about these days) is smaller for a Hummer than for a Prius?
Yup! But don't tell that to the image-conscious nutball who wants to show everyone how "green" he is with his new Prius. Some people don't like the facts...Live in their little fantasy world because they can make everything the way they want unlike that real world. :) :) :)
 

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"High" gas prices make people do stupid things.

From a recent comparison of mine:

After 5 years...
Cost to own Prius: $54k
Cost to own Corolla: $47k
Cost to own Cobalt: $42k
There's no way on God's green earth it costs $42K to own a Cobalt for 5 years.

The car cost $14K (that's assuming it'd be worthless after 5 years... it won't be)
Insurance cost $2K
If I'm a huge leadfoot (I'm not) and drive 15K miles a year and gas is $4 a gallon - $12K

With really extreme pessimism, that's $28K - it won't be that much... probably $20K - $25K since the car will have some value. So, am I going to have $14K+ in maintenance and repairs when I have at least some warranty the whole time?

Please... I've had the car a year and haven't even spent a hundred bucks yet.
 

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Have you ever heard anyone say the cost of a replacement battery for a hybrid or when you will have to replace it?
See post #15 and #17. This was Canadian $$$, so it's probably less in the US currently. After 7 years and 245,800 km, he paid $4000 CAD including labor. http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=253593&highlight=prius+battery+cost This is the only one I know of that needed replacing.

Did you know the carbon footprint (which everyone is talking about these days) is smaller for a Hummer than for a Prius?
False.
 

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Care to share the breakdown? I am going to run some numbers too....not to "prove" you wrong or anything. I am kind of curious my self. It'll be interesting how close/far-away they are.
Let's do it 3 ways and compare .. it's a good exercise

Prius Pck #2 ... 6 airbags, VSC/Trac, Keyless, Alloys .. 46 mpg EPA comb
Corolla XLE ..... 6 airbags, VSC/Trac, Keyless, Alloys .. 30 mpg EPA comb
Cobalt 2LT ..... 4 airbags, Trac Ctl, Keyless, Alloys .... 26 mpg EPA comb

Effective prices today..
Prius #2.... $24300 MSRP
Corolla XLE $19200 MSRP
Cobalt 2LT. $19155 ( $2000 incentive ) = $17155 Net

Lifetime : 5 yrs and 75000 miles
Cost of fuel for 5 yrs: $4.75 /gal on average

RESALE VALUE in 5 yrs : 45% of Selling Price
Prius: $10900
Coro: $8600
Cob : $7700

Net vehicle cost:
Prius...$24300 - 10900 = $13400
Corolla. $19200 - 8600 = $10600
Cobalt. $17155 - 7700 = $9455

Cost of fuel for 5 yrs: (75000 / mpg) * $4.75
Prius ... (75000 / 46) * 4.75 = $7745
Corolla..(75000 / 30) * 4.75 = $11875
Cobalt.. (75000 / 26) * 4.75 = $13700

Total Cost..Net Vehicle Cost + Fuel
Prius... $13400 + 7745 = $21145
Corolla $10600 + $11875 = $22475
Cobalt. $9455 + $13700 = $23155

Cost of Money:
Corolla buyer gains 4% pa for 5 yrs on ~$5000 or ~$1100 in interest
Cobalt buyer gains 4% pa for 5 yrs on ~$7100 or ~$1500 in interest

The net result: It doesn't matter which one a buyer chooses the 'cost' of these three key items is about the same for all three. Pick whichever vehicle suits you best.
 

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Have you ever heard anyone say the cost of a replacement battery for a hybrid or when you will have to replace it?
Internet research needed on actual cases of battery replacement. Business Week just did such a survey. It's well under 1% of all hybrids in existence.

Did you know the carbon footprint (which everyone is talking about these days) is smaller for a Hummer than for a Prius?
This is false that study was proven to be fictitious. It was disproven here more than a year ago.

Dumb 'study', it got a lot of attention but the author refused to show how he got his results. Then people began to look at it in more depth and the guy turned out to be a fool.
 

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Let's do it 3 ways and compare .. it's a good exercise

Prius Pck #2 ... 6 airbags, VSC/Trac, Keyless, Alloys .. 46 mpg EPA comb
Corolla XLE ..... 6 airbags, VSC/Trac, Keyless, Alloys .. 30 mpg EPA comb
Cobalt 2LT ..... 4 airbags, Trac Ctl, Keyless, Alloys .... 26 mpg EPA comb

Effective prices today..
Prius #2.... $24300 MSRP
Corolla XLE $19200 MSRP
Cobalt 2LT. $19155 ( $2000 incentive ) = $17155 Net

Lifetime : 5 yrs and 75000 miles
Cost of fuel for 5 yrs: $4.75 /gal on average

RESALE VALUE in 5 yrs : 45% of Selling Price
Prius: $10900
Coro: $8600
Cob : $7700

Net vehicle cost:
Prius...$24300 - 10900 = $13400
Corolla. $19200 - 8600 = $10600
Cobalt. $17155 - 7700 = $9455

Cost of fuel for 5 yrs: (75000 / mpg) * $4.75
Prius ... (75000 / 46) * 4.75 = $7745
Corolla..(75000 / 30) * 4.75 = $11875
Cobalt.. (75000 / 26) * 4.75 = $13700

Total Cost..Net Vehicle Cost + Fuel
Prius... $13400 + 7745 = $21145
Corolla $10600 + $11875 = $22475
Cobalt. $9455 + $13700 = $23155

Cost of Money:
Corolla buyer gains 4% pa for 5 yrs on ~$5000 or ~$1100 in interest
Cobalt buyer gains 4% pa for 5 yrs on ~$7100 or ~$1500 in interest

The net result: It doesn't matter which one a buyer chooses the 'cost' of these three key items is about the same for all three. Pick whichever one suits you best.
Those numbers are more like it.

Of course, here's some more numbers...

Prius: 78-hp gas, 67-horsepower electric
Corolla: 132 hp
Cobalt SS 2.4 (which cost a lot less than $17155): 171 hp

Drive a slow ass, no handling Toyota and save nothing? Pffft!!!
 

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It's not about just selling people on a hybrid to save on fuel.

It's about selling the image of a hybrid because you think you are saving fuel and helping to protect the environment.
That's the ONLY way GM's going to sell the Volt at $40,000.

I saw on CNN a week or so ago that at current gas prices, the amount to make up the cost differential on a Prius in gas savings is 1.5 years. For an Aura... it s was some ridiculous amount. I want to say 17 years or something.
That's if you compare a prius to 4cyl camry, not a corolla or matrix which it is equivalent to.
 

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Let's do it 3 ways and compare .. it's a good exercise

Prius Pck #2 ... 6 airbags, VSC/Trac, Keyless, Alloys .. 46 mpg EPA comb
Corolla XLE ..... 6 airbags, VSC/Trac, Keyless, Alloys .. 30 mpg EPA comb
Cobalt 2LT ..... 4 airbags, Trac Ctl, Keyless, Alloys .... 26 mpg EPA comb

Effective prices today..
Prius #2.... $24300 MSRP
Corolla XLE $19200 MSRP
Cobalt 2LT. $19155 ( $2000 incentive ) = $17155 Net

Lifetime : 5 yrs and 75000 miles
Cost of fuel for 5 yrs: $4.75 /gal on average

RESALE VALUE in 5 yrs : 45% of Selling Price
Prius: $10900
Coro: $8600
Cob : $7700

Net vehicle cost:
Prius...$24300 - 10900 = $13400
Corolla. $19200 - 8600 = $10600
Cobalt. $17155 - 7700 = $9455

Cost of fuel for 5 yrs: (75000 / mpg) * $4.75
Prius ... (75000 / 46) * 4.75 = $7745
Corolla..(75000 / 30) * 4.75 = $11875
Cobalt.. (75000 / 26) * 4.75 = $13700

Total Cost..Net Vehicle Cost + Fuel
Prius... $13400 + 7745 = $21145
Corolla $10600 + $11875 = $22475
Cobalt. $9455 + $13700 = $23155

Cost of Money:
Corolla buyer gains 4% pa for 5 yrs on ~$5000 or ~$1100 in interest
Cobalt buyer gains 4% pa for 5 yrs on ~$7100 or ~$1500 in interest

The net result: It doesn't matter which one a buyer chooses the 'cost' of these three key items is about the same for all three. Pick whichever vehicle suits you best.
Get a Cobalt 1LT with the XFE package, and it would be the cheapest. Given that this is the point of the comparison (which car is cheapest to own), I would think it would be the most appropriate choice. 1LT base price is $15,780. With the XFE package, it gets better mileage than the Corolla.
 

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keep these numbers coming, its really interesting!
 

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Model/trim:Prius base option B
Price of vehicle:$24,110
Tax credit: - $3,150
Rebate: -
Net price of vehicle: $20,960
MPG (city + hwy / 2): 46.5 mpg
Miles driven per year x 5: 75,000
Gas price: $4.25
Gas (gal = 75,000 / mpg): 1,613
Gas cost (gal x $4.25): $6,855
5 year cost (including gas): $27,815
Value after 5 yrs (“Excellent”): $11,575 sell price
TOTAL spent: $16,240


Model/trim: Corolla S option C
Price of vehicle: $19,505
Tax credit: -
Rebate: -
Net price of vehicle: $19,505
MPG (city + hwy / 2): 31 mpg
Miles driven per year x 5: 75,000
Gas price: $4.25
Gas (gal = 75,000 / mpg); 2,419
Gas cost (gal x $4.25): $10,280
5 year cost (including gas): $29,785
Value after 5 yrs (“Excellent”): $8,300 sell price
TOTAL spent: $21,485


Model/trim: Cobalt 1lt w/ options
Price of vehicle: $17,750
Tax credit: -
Rebate: -$2,000
Net price of vehicle: $15,750
MPG (city + hwy / 2): 28.5 mpg
Miles driven per year x 5: 75,000
Gas price: $4.25
Gas (gal = 75,000 / mpg): 2,632
Gas cost (gal x $4.25): $11,186
5 year cost (including gas): $26,936
Value after 5 yrs (“Excellent”): Cavalier $4,675 * $6,175 sell price
TOTAL spent: $20,761

Prius: http://autos.msn.com/kbb/trim.aspx?type=tradein&tid=22822&zip=94535
Corolla: http://autos.msn.com/kbb/trim.aspx?type=tradein&tid=22834&zip=94535
Chevy: http://autos.msn.com/kbb/trim.aspx?type=tradein&tid=22238&zip=94535

*Note: Back in 2003, “Cobalt” didn’t exist, so I used a Cavalier to get the $4,675. The Cobalt is better, so I am willing to add $1,500 to my projected value for the Cobalt.

This doesn’t factor: Oil changes, wipers, tires, washer fluid, insurance, registration, tax, title, licensing, alignment, satellite radio/On-Star subscription, lien interest etc.

I chose the Prius first to get a baseline of how the average Prius might be equipped. The Corolla had to be stepped to an “S” to get the 6 CD in dash radio. I chose the best mpg Cobalt to better compete with the Prius long term. My result show the Cobalt does favor well, and beat the Corolla. Keep in mind GM’s 72 month 0% financing is very appealing, 2009 Corolla has 0% APR but for only 36 months. There are no finance incentives for Prius. However the Prius #’s look pretty darn good. And if gas goes higher, or more miles are driven, then the Prius advantage increases exponentially.
 

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wheres the cost of the battery in those calculations? If people are willing to buy hybrids why isn't there a long lineup to buy hybrid Tahoes. They get as good milage as a Camray in the city not so good on the highway. GM's 2 mode system is better than Toyotas and Hondas also. This fall or next spring GM is bringing out a 2 mode Saturn Vue. This should come close to Prius milage in a bigger roomier vehicle. Lets see if people will buy it
 

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wheres the cost of the battery in those calculations? If people are willing to buy hybrids why isn't there a long lineup to buy hybrid Tahoes. They get as good milage as a Camray in the city not so good on the highway. GM's 2 mode system is better than Toyotas and Hondas also. This fall or next spring GM is bringing out a 2 mode Saturn Vue. This should come close to Prius milage in a bigger roomier vehicle. Lets see if people will buy it
That's because the GMT-900 hybrids are expensive. $50k to start... that's a lot of money that many people don't have nowadays.

The Vue isn't that cheap of a car either. I am guessing the two-mode Vue Hybrid will start at least $30k, since it uses the 3.6L v6 as the gas motor.

The Prius can be had for $21k. It's large enough for most people, and most importantly, it's affordable enough.
 

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I'm not sure why people buy hybrids, maybe they are ignorant and think it saves money, or maybe they do it because they feel it's better on the economy. I know I saw a thread on some forum where a Jeep diesel got 1 mpg less than a Prius in a real world test, so IMO hybrids are just a way for companies to sell cars to the ignorant or misinformed. Anyways just my 2 cents.
 
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