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If you want to have some fun, click on the watch this on Youtube icon and read through the comments over there. My, my, my. And get ready for a :poop: show.
I enjoyed the comments way more than the presentation. This is again a case of GM better not forget what butters the bread full-size ICE trucks/SUVs. Most people would liked improvements on those ICE vehicles and maybe even some hybrid tech along with small block V8 before they want electric anything. I think the electric fanboys and coastal elites will gobble up the first high end rounds of these electrics but GM had better know who there ‘real‘ customer in middle America is… Those people in middle America aren’t asking for electric vehicles, you know there loyal customers who buy a new farm truck every other year. The screwed up Washington politicians and green socialist mob are asking, begging for electric… Not the loyal traditional customer base. GM don’t forget the folks who actually buy and like your ICE products.
 

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I enjoyed the comments way more than the presentation. This is again a case of GM better not forget what butters the bread full-size ICE trucks/SUVs. Most people would liked improvements on those ICE vehicles and maybe even some hybrid tech along with small block V8 before they want electric anything. I think the electric fanboys and coastal elites will gobble up the first high end rounds of these electrics but GM had better know who there ‘real‘ customer in middle America is… Those people in middle America aren’t asking for electric vehicles, you know there loyal customers who buy a new farm truck every other year. The screwed up Washington politicians and green socialist mob are asking, begging for electric… Not the loyal traditional customer base. GM don’t forget the folks who actually buy and like your ICE products.
You couldn't have said it much better:
I think the electric fanboys and coastal elites will gobble up the first high end rounds of these electrics but GM had better know who there ‘real‘ customer in middle America is… Those people in middle America aren’t asking for electric vehicles, you know there loyal customers who buy a new farm truck every other year. The screwed up Washington politicians and green socialist mob are asking, begging for electric… Not the loyal traditional customer base. GM don’t forget the folks who actually buy and like your ICE products.
The ones making all the noise... and therefore getting all the attention are those fanbois and elites along with the Washington political fools and the greenies. The masses aren't "there and sold" yet if ever.
 

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I enjoyed the comments way more than the presentation. This is again a case of GM better not forget what butters the bread full-size ICE trucks/SUVs. Most people would liked improvements on those ICE vehicles and maybe even some hybrid tech along with small block V8 before they want electric anything. I think the electric fanboys and coastal elites will gobble up the first high end rounds of these electrics but GM had better know who there ‘real‘ customer in middle America is… Those people in middle America aren’t asking for electric vehicles, you know there loyal customers who buy a new farm truck every other year. The screwed up Washington politicians and green socialist mob are asking, begging for electric… Not the loyal traditional customer base. GM don’t forget the folks who actually buy and like your ICE products.
You do realize that people who live on the coasts buy more way vehicles than “middle America” Most of the major population centers are on either coast.
The automakers aren’t socialist or woke. They want to make money and EV is where the money is.
Also, maybe wonder why you believe that driving a car that runs on foreign-sourced oil is patriotic.
 

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You do realize that people who live on the coasts buy more way vehicles than “middle America” Most of the major population centers are on either coast.
The automakers aren’t socialist or woke. They want to make money and EV is where the money is.
Also, maybe wonder why you believe that driving a car that runs on foreign-sourced oil is patriotic.
Sure, people on the coasts buy more vehicles than middle America as it is scattered with large metro areas along both coasts. Those vehicles are more often than not non-American branded vehicles... Like Honda, Toyota, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Subaru, Hyundai, Kia, Audi, Volkswagen etc. those are the brands you’re likely to see… Not exactly territory for Chevrolet, Ford, Cadillac, Lincoln etc. Nor has it been for 40 plus years. In middle America is where Detroit still has good market share, and these aren‘t the folks begging for electric powered vehicles.

Ford and GM are literally tripping over each other to gain favor with the ‘green mob’ and corrupt non-elected government bureaucrats. GM went from opposing California standards to being in favor of them as soon as the tide changed in DC. This electric revolution isn’t being demanded by the average American branded car buyer, who doesn’t live on the coast. This is the tail wagging the dog, plain and simple.

Lets talk about oil, up until one year ago we were energy independent and capable of making our own. Now the ’smart’ elected officials are begging OPEC for more of it. (While also blaming them for raising the prices, guess stopping oil exploration in some cases and stopping pipeline construction has consequences?) We will soon be begging the same and other non-democratic dictatorships around the world for the rare earth minerals for electric car batteries in the future. (That sure is patriotic isn’t it?) Also the electricity still has to come from some place for electric vehicles, just a guess but we don’t have enough ’green’ energy companies and windmills to supply it either.

I am not denying the industry was headed this way towards alternatives, but it wasn’t at this unsustainable pace until the tide turned in DC to buy favor with the ’green mob’. Better hope chumps like my family keep funding their electric utopia future by buying profitable full-size TXXX V8 powered vehicles in the 50K to 100K price range. That will allow them to build all sorts of electric powered appliance like blobs.

People don’t like to hear the cold hard truth about our ‘green’ future… I do want to be respectful of the environment and enjoy National Parks, State Parks etc. The fact of the matter is the automobile hobby is typically not great for the environment no matter what is powering a car. We can’t make enough ’green’ energy with solar panels and wind mills. Regardless if it is electric cars charging from energy provided by fossil fuel using power plants or putting fossil fuel directly in your car… It is impacting the environment! If we wanted to be ’green’ we would go back to living in an undeveloped society and live off of the land without modern conveniences. Electric cars aren’t all that ‘green’ it is just trading oil for rare earth minerals. Still not ‘good‘ for the earth…
 

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You do realize that people who live on the coasts buy more way vehicles than “middle America” Most of the major population centers are on either coast.
The automakers aren’t socialist or woke. They want to make money and EV is where the money is.
Also, maybe wonder why you believe that driving a car that runs on foreign-sourced oil is patriotic.
That is true about the large population centers being on the coasts, although bad governance is driving people away from them, myself and my family members included, so that is changing. It should not be assumed that people on the coasts want BEV's, we don't - yet. As for oil, we were a large net exporter of oil until last year. The BEV move is a central planning issue, and as long as the automakers play ball with the central planners, they are OK.
 

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You do realize that people who live on the coasts buy more way vehicles than “middle America” Most of the major population centers are on either coast.
The automakers aren’t socialist or woke. They want to make money and EV is where the money is.
Also, maybe wonder why you believe that driving a car that runs on foreign-sourced oil is patriotic.
Not so fast there, Most, or a large share, of these coastal and or big city dwellers also rely on the mass transit for the majority of their commuter needs too. And it/there wasn't so much foreign oil until Bidum got in and shut things down on us causing a ripple effect of prices to surge.
 

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Tesla is not the benchmark anymore, Lucid is.
Fastest charging, most range, highest efficiency, smallest, lightest and most powerful drive units.
But they are rather pricey, for now,

But yeah, Cyberturd most definitely has it's hands full, so attacks.
Elon lied again and tried to downplay the Lucid CEO's contributions at Tesla, too.
These tactics are how you know you have something. Badges of honor,
The only problem is that there are not many Lucid products out there.

plus MBS is a major shareholder. I am not a fan.
 

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The only problem is that there are not many Lucid products out there.

plus MBS is a major shareholder. I am not a fan.
I'm sure MBS has shares in lots of things that you don't know about.
By the time GM EVs hit the market there will be lots of Lucids out there.

At this point, the only EVs I have any interest in are Lucid, Rivian, VW (I actually like that Microbus) GM and by extension Honda, who will be using Ultium.
 

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I'm sure MBS has shares in lots of things that you don't know about.
By the time GM EVs hit the market there will be lots of Lucids out there.

At this point, the only EVs I have any interest in are Lucid, Rivian, VW (I actually like that Microbus) GM and by extension Honda, who will be using Ultium.
GM already has lots of EV’s on the road. they lost their Federal credit
 

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20,000 is also 'niche', esp since that volume will be spread out over YEARS.
Every year it will be going up.
By mid-decade there will be premium sedan and SUV models (think C-Class with E-Class interior space).
Prices will be much more inline with mainstream luxury brands.
They're even talking about a coupe and pickup, 500K units by the end of the decade.

No talk of $25K cars from Lucid, but they may sell the components for one to someone else.

I would be VERY interested in the 2025/2026 premium sedan.
They're about the only American automaker interested in making one.
Everyone else is either a hatch, SUV or truck.
 

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Every year it will be going up.
By mid-decade there will be premium sedan and SUV models (think C-Class with E-Class interior space).
Prices will be much more inline with mainstream luxury brands.
They're even talking about a coupe and pickup, 500K units by the end of the decade.

No talk of $25K cars from Lucid, but they may sell the components for one to someone else.

I would be VERY interested in the 2025/2026 premium sedan.
They're about the only American automaker interested in making one.
Everyone else is either a hatch, SUV or truck.
That is great.
But the S Class market moved to Silverado and F150, throw in Sierra Denali
 

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That is great.
But the S Class market moved to Silverado and F150, throw in Sierra Denali
The S-Class still has a big market.
The USA is not everywhere. Lucid will be entering European markets immediately. China to follow.
There is a big market for luxury EVs and Tesla does not make luxury cars.
 

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But the S Class market moved to Silverado and F150, throw in Sierra Denali
Nah, they've moved to GLS, X7, Escalade, RR, and Navigator.
 
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