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Originally posted by Mr_Pringle@Jan 10 2004, 03:56 AM
All the stuff I've seen about the show here-- granted I'm rather far from Det-- has been incredibly GM biased. Very few other cars from other automakers were even shown.
yeah, same here. On CNBC, they were all over GM's cars. All the analysits were saying GM is deffinatly on a rise in the next few years with thier incoming cars. The biggest was deffinatly the Vette as they kept s showing it over and over.
 

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Originally posted by BBcamaroSS@Jan 11 2004, 02:38 PM
Well there was a reason they didnt show GM products as much as Ford and chrystler....Because we have nothing! The only thing worth Glancing at was the new corvette, and gto. o and the solstice......mabye. Look what ford has; an award winning line of f-150's, the gt40, mustang, shelby. And chrystler has the new crossfire and soon that ME 412 Concept that would KILL a vette in seconds.(yes some of this is the other car show but..)

The heart of the ME Four-Twelve is its all-aluminum, quad-turbo, 6.0-liter V-12 engine. With electronic sequential multipoint fuel injection and a 9.0:1 compression ratio, the ME Four-Twelve's AMG-developed engine delivers 850 bhp @ 5750 rpm, with 850 lb-ft. (1150 N-m) of torque between 2500 and 4500 rpm on premium unleaded fuel. The specific power output translates to 142 bhp/liter, and with a curb weight of just 2880 lbs. (1310 kg), the ME Four-Twelve has the weight-to-power ratio of 3.4 lbs/bhp - each of these sets new performance records and new benchmarks in the super car category.

And, befitting a machine that will play comfortably in the super car league, the performance of the ME Four-Twelve is stunning. In our projections and modeling, the ME Four-Twelve goes from 0-60 mph in 2.9 seconds, 0-100 mph in 6.2 seconds and it will blister through the quarter mile in 10.6 seconds at 142.0 mph. The estimated top speed of the ME Four-Twelve is 248 mph (400 km/h). The vehicle is designed and packaged to achieve outstanding thermal performance under extreme operating conditions. Its large capacity, high-efficiency engine-cooling system allows this engine to retain optimum thermal performance - a key advantage in the super car arena.

The 7-speed Ricardo Double Clutch Transmission was developed specifically for this vehicle and features the latest double wet-clutch technology and electronic control strategy. The exclusive ME Four-Twelve transmission delivers uninterrupted torque to the rear wheels with 200 millisecond shift times.

And the Gt40 would also leave a brand new vette in peices. See we have no exotics or super fast performance cars or anything worth comparing. I mean Motor trend compared the subaru impreza with the mustang(mustang lost woo hoo :lol: ) but with no camaro or chevelle (yet) we got no new material. The gto was cool for about a couple months and then it was an eye sore. And the xlr still is only 320 hp. not the 600 you see from ferrari or porsche. You see thats why. :brick:
...ok GM didnt have super fancy cars to show off, but they have plenty of new product coming out, more then anyone else.

The super car from DCX... please, thats not what chrystler needs right now, it needs to worry about sedans and how they are gunna pull up from the failing Crossfire and Pacifica. They are doing teh same thing as ford, not worrying about the product and making dazling cars! While GM is improving on gaining back market share, Ford and DCX are putting out mega hp super cars. The Viper is plenty for DCX right now. They need to work on new sedans and a coupe perhaps.
Ford, they have a few new cars out, but nothing exciting really. The 500 is alright looking, but not really all that amazing. The new mustang is nice, but bah its a mustang. 6 years behind the fbody in power and handling, bout time they caught up.
Now GM has many new cars to appeal to the rest of teh 90% of the buying public that buys cars with flare and power, just to get them from a to b. Look at the G6. How many cars does dodge or ford have that look that sporty? Who is acutaly making concpets, and not just keep on dreaming? Solstice: concept is now a production car. G6: concept, now a production car. GTO: an idea by bob lutz, now a prodution car. XLR: concept in many forms, now a production car, SRX: once a concept, now a production car. shall I go on? Curve: just came out as a concept, is not geting the green light for production. SSR: concept, now in production. SS silvarado: concept, now in production.

The GT40 might leave a C6 in its wake, but the Z06 will prove to be much harder, as it will weight 500lbs less, with equal hp. The GT will have to slide into the curves to try and escape the vette. And the Vette will be almost 100k less. If Hill is telling the truth, the Z06 is a super car that will scare away cars 2x its price. Who needs a 250k Cien, when for 55-60k, you can get a 500hp, 3000lb Vette? I agree, that the Cien is a great idea, but not where Caddy needs to be aiming right now. GM is in a time of restructuring and rebuilding after over a decade of penny pinching, ugly crap cars with zero zest.
 
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