It's Safe To Say That a Code 130R Type Car Is Dead.....

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Z284ever

Discussion Starter · Dec 22, 2014 (Edited)

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Certainly a Code based on a RWD architecture like Alpha is long dead. But GM, especially Chevrolet, have a gaping hole of anything cool in the $20-$24K range. I think it's long past time for that to change. By necessity such a product would have to be FWD based, on the Gamma or Delta architectures. Luckily for GM, they can print money with those two architectures. And there are plenty of off the shelf powertrains, already developed and paid for, which GM could readily use. I really don't know what is stopping GM from addressing this segment. It's rivals have no issues with it.

Here is some inspiration for Chevy:

There are more, but you get the point.
The expensive bits are already in flowing though GM's system. What is the problem here? Chevy has historically had a lot of successful products in this segment, Citation X-11, Beretta GTZ, Cavalier Z24, etc.

What do you guys say? Is it time for Chevy to step up?

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sepi

· #2 · Dec 22, 2014

It was DOA. It was a horrific product with no market. There would have been more market for a Chevrolet version of the Solstice named Sting Ray to provide an inexpensive sports car to counter the bloated and horrific Shamvette.

EJD1984

· #3 · Dec 22, 2014

I say YES, that GM needs a few more special/specialized performance models.

But hopefully there will be something gleamed from the 130r concept. In addition, the recent news that it appears Nissan is moving ahead with a production rwd coupe inspired from it's IDx Concept just might nudge GM/Chevrolet into something.

*I'm still holding out (fading) hope for a sub-Camaro rwd performance, fun, tossable car.

jwvrod

· #4 · Dec 22, 2014

Always thought the 2004 Chevy Nomad had potential. ..

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rsbaker

· #5 · Dec 22, 2014

I absolutely agree. I have never understood why there has not been a performance oriented version the the Cruze to take up where the Cavalier Z24 and Cobalt SS left off. This Could and should be done especially with a new Cruze coming in a year. The Sonic would also be good candidate for performance upgrades. The 5 door would be perfect for some type of Rally Car performance package. A 2.0 liter Turbo would be crazy in a performance Sonic Sedan. Bring the Tuners back GM!!!

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steve333

· #6 · Dec 22, 2014

I think a Compact RWD 4 door would make more sense and have more sales. At around a $20k price point it would make GM relevant again in SoCal, IMO
Chevy Nova or Chevelle

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0fxxk0

· #7 · Dec 22, 2014

It's just time to let go of any type of dream/fascination with GM doing these type of cars. GM is more interested in shoving 4dr after CUV after SUV after Quad/Ext cab pick-ups down our throats.

If GM feels there is no money in these type of cars,fine. People will go elsewhere and fill their need and with that GM possibly looses a sale or a series of sales for a long time. But,hey whatever, GM isn't giving or making me any money so what stake do I have in the company besides being a fanboy of some of the products (which are increasingly rocketing out of my price range) this company makes.

Z284ever

Discussion Starter · #8 · Dec 22, 2014

jwvrod said:
Always thought the 2004 Chevy Nomad had potential. ..

GM was hoping the Nomad could have been a Mini Cooper competitor. It's too bad Kappa wasn't flexible enough for that sort of thing.

F14CRAZY

· #9 · Dec 22, 2014

Why can't it be MR? The Fiero worked out as the drivetrain, including engine cradle, from the X body were mounted in the rear of a new platform

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Mentat Bashar

· #10 · Dec 22, 2014

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So much potential in some of their concepts. I don't know what it is about GM. Lack of willpower to follow through? Too bad we won't see them:

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usayjim2

· #11 · Dec 22, 2014

I'd give the job to Buick , if they would have it , this 5 door Theophilus Chin design is outstanding and would fit right into its lineup , what do you say B

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uick ??

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Mentat Bashar

· #12 · Dec 22, 2014

Such as shame. Too ahead of their time I guess.

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johnstarnes

· #13 · Dec 22, 2014

I still love the the long dead, cab forward exercise called TRU 140.

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Rocket 88

· #14 · Dec 22, 2014 (Edited)

My wife and I leases a 1997 Cavalier Z24 with the Getrag 5-speed manual. $0 down $227/month and it was more fun to drive then you'd believe. My father leased a base Cavalier soon after to commute with and I was horrified how crappy it was. The 2.2 with the 3 speed was bad but the seats were awful. The Z24 was so much better and more comfortable.

Anyway it would be great to see GM produce something cheap and fun. Base something off a Cruze with a bit more motor and fun parts. It's not rocket science.

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Quixote88

· #15 · Dec 22, 2014

steve333 said:
I think a Compact RWD 4 door would make more sense and have more sales. At around a $20k price point it would make GM relevant again in SoCal, IMO
Chevy Nova or Chevelle

Well, I guess it would...

It could also be fueled by unicorn sweat...

Notice how no one else offers a RWD sedan at anywhere near $20k? GM is reducing the number of platforms they use, not increasing, and they are not going to use Alpha to build a $20k sedan for Chevrolet. It would help kill Cadillac's still shaky credibility in the luxury market. An Alpha based Camaro is already pushing it, in my opinion, but at the very least the current gen Zeta Camaro (notably its upmarket performance ZL1 & Z/28 models) have given the Camaro some world class credibility that really shouldn't hurt the next gen sharing a basic platform with performance-focused Cadillacs.

mchicha

· #16 · Dec 22, 2014

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dslay04

· #17 · Dec 22, 2014

Z284ever said:
Certainly a Code based on a RWD architecture like Alpha is long dead. But GM, especially Chevrolet, have a gaping hole of anything cool in the $20-$24K range. I think it's long past time for that to change. By necessity such a product would have to be FWD based, on the Gamma or Delta architectures. Luckily for GM, they can print money with those two architectures. And there are plenty of off the shelf powertrains, already developed and paid for, which GM could readily use. I really don't know what is stopping GM from addressing this segment. It's rivals have no issues with it.

Here is some inspiration for Chevy:

There are more, but you get the point.
The expensive bits are already in flowing though GM's system. What is the problem here? Chevy has historically had a lot of successful products in this segment, Citation X-11, Beretta GTZ, Cavalier Z24, etc.

What do you guys say? Is it time for Chevy to step up?

Why not bring over the Astra GTC over. Has all the performance credibility

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usayjim2

· #18 · Dec 22, 2014

This Theophilus Chin design is a 5 door hatch , a bit longer than the two door model and looks even better in a solid color . Make the two tone roof a no charge extra in the higher priced version . I think it would be a perfect fit in the Buick lineup !

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osbornk

· #19 · Dec 22, 2014

F14CRAZY said:
Why can't it be MR? The Fiero worked out as the drivetrain, including engine cradle, from the X body were mounted in the rear of a new platform

The Fiero was a great concept that they dropped just when they finally got it good. The rear had the complete drivetrain and suspension from the X-body and they ran a rod to the tie rod connection on the spindle to set the toe in. The front suspension was from the Chevette. I was the ultimate parts bin car.

Tone

· #20 · Dec 22, 2014

A Sonic with the 1.6T and a chassis with a dose of off throttle oversteer would be awesome as a Fiesta ST competitor. It would be better looking, at least to my eyes, and would make a lot more sense than the current RS.

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