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Incentives on new vehicles zoom higher
Rising gasoline prices and a sagging economy are likely to force automakers to continue bumping up lures.
By Terry Box
The Dallas Morning News
4/5/2008



Big incentives are edging back into new-car dealerships.

With the economy slumping and gas prices spiraling, incentives that began creeping up in January gathered steam last month, increasing to an average of $2,435 per vehicle sold in February, according to Edmunds.com.

The 8.4 percent increase from February 2007 is significant because it suggests that automakers — particularly the Detroit Three — are being forced to return to the high, profit-sapping incentives they have all renounced.

Two years ago, for example, General Motors Corp. said it was adopting "value pricing," in which it lowered retail prices to reflect actual transaction prices at dealerships and reduced incentives.

In recent months, though, "incentives have been boosted to the levels we saw regularly before automakers instituted the 'value-pricing' strategy that aimed to reduce sticker prices and minimize the need for incentives," said Jesse Toprak, executive director of industry analysis for Edmunds.com. "It's a car buyers' market, and that will likely be true for months to come."


Most big incentives are on full-size pickups and SUVs. But the amounts on some sedans are also growing.

In a recent list in Automotive News, the Chrysler Group had incentives on 24 cars and trucks, Ford Motor Co. offered them on 25 vehicles, and General Motors had 34 with cash on the hood.

Many offers were generous. Dodge had a $5,000 incentive on 2008 models of the Ram pickup, and Chrysler had $3,000 on its well-regarded 300C sedan.

Tim Jackson, president of the Colorado Auto Dealers Association, said the slowing economy is motivating manufacturers to offer a slew of incentives, from rebates to zero percent interest.

"Incentives are deeper than they were in 2001. I have got dealers who say they never had cuts this deep," Jackson said.

Compared with past incentive spurts where domestic carmakers dominated, more foreign brands such as Toyota are throwing out lures to draw buyers in. Edmunds.com., in a recent assessment, found that the average incentive in February for the Detroit Three was $3,393 per vehicle, while European brands spent an average of $1,945 per vehicle sold, Japanese brands averaged $1,313 per vehicle sold and Korean brands spent $1,807.

"Almost everything across the board has an incentive," said Brian Tyson, sales manager at Stevinson Toyota East and Scion in Aurora.

The Toyota Tundra is carrying zero percent financing for 60 months, and even the Toyota Camry hybrid still carries a $2,000 discount from last year.

"We are wanting to move the cars," he said.

Leo Griggs, who owns Park Cities Dodge in Dallas, said one of his challenges is selling the Dodge Ram in a tight market where gas prices are rising. The Ram is an older-design truck that's scheduled for replacement this fall.

Between dealer and customer incentives, "I can go $8,000 to $10,000 off the price of a Ram, and I can still make a good profit," he said.

Source: http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_8818165
 

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If he can take 10K of ram and still make profit. Imagine how overpriced these trucks are. You can spend 50k on a truck and it should only be worth 30k. Soon people will realize this and they will stop buying them.
 

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Toyota literally has thousands on the hood of the Tundra, why the newspapers choose to ignore the fact that the Turdra is a goat on the alter is beyond me. It is far more than just 0% financing, I have seen as much as $10,000 on some models of the Tundra, $5,000 is relatively common, and the lovely Camry is carrying a dowry also.
 

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Compared with past incentive spurts where domestic carmakers dominated, more foreign brands such as Toyota are throwing out lures to draw buyers in. Edmunds.com., in a recent assessment, found that the average incentive in February for the Detroit Three was $3,393 per vehicle, while European brands spent an average of $1,945 per vehicle sold, Japanese brands averaged $1,313 per vehicle sold and Korean brands spent $1,807.
It will be nice if and when Detroit can close the incentive gap, particularly the one it has with Japanese brands.
 

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If he can take 10K of ram and still make profit. Imagine how overpriced these trucks are. You can spend 50k on a truck and it should only be worth 30k. Soon people will realize this and they will stop buying them.
Look at the billions Toyota is making off their vehicles. Are they overpriced? Will people realize that and stop buying them? Your logic is flawed.
 

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Look at the billions Toyota is making off their vehicles. Are they overpriced? Will people realize that and stop buying them? Your logic is flawed.
Flawed??? I do not think so. DId you know that Truck and Suv sales were down 30% last month and month before. IS it because people do not see value in them? They do not think that it makes since paying 50k for truck or suv. With gas prices up. It makes less and less since to purchase them.
 

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Look at the billions Toyota is making off their vehicles. Are they overpriced? Will people realize that and stop buying them? Your logic is flawed.
Not only that, but soon, the demand for Ram Pickups will stay right where it is and nobody is going to be able to sell one under CAFE regs, so the price will actually go up [mild sarcasm]
 

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Flawed??? I do not think so. DId you know that Truck and Suv sales were down 30% last month and month before. IS it because people do not see value in them? They do not think that it makes since paying 50k for truck or suv. With gas prices up. It makes less and less since to purchase them.
Your argument was that the Ram was overpriced because he was still making a profit. Using the same rationale, Toyota makes lots of profit, therefore Toyota vehicles must be overpriced.
 

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Toyota literally has thousands on the hood of the Tundra, why the newspapers choose to ignore the fact that the Turdra is a goat on the alter is beyond me. It is far more than just 0% financing, I have seen as much as $10,000 on some models of the Tundra, $5,000 is relatively common, and the lovely Camry is carrying a dowry also.
agreed. the 0% is really just a gimmick to lure the shoppers as most shoppers probably won't qualify, however I've seen up to $7k on "brandnew" Tundra. Toyota is just trying to get sales numbers...what happens when the resale value plummets on them?
 

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GM still is offering pretty pathetic or non-existent rebates for its compact, overpriced Canyon/Colorado pickups. Don't let me hear "Americans don't want small trucks", when they're not priced to move!

http://www.gm.com/shop/currentoffers/
I've noticed the same unfortunate predicament. I still think the Canyon/Colorado are nice, but they seem a bit pricey for what they are.
 

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I've noticed the same unfortunate predicament. I still think the Canyon/Colorado are nice, but they seem a bit pricey for what they are.
I guess I'll just sit on the sidelines and wait, since I don't want or need anything bigger than a crew cab Canyon, and I'm in no rush. 2007's are selling with 2000 off, but I don't want something that's been baking in the Houston sun for a year.

Of course the other, probably smarter option is to buy used, but I've got GM card points burning a hole in my pocket. :) (Haven't even checked how pitiful the allowance is)

The small trucks are way pricey --- the S-10's used to sell for very low prices. True, they were old-tech, but these new trucks don't make a lot of sense when put up against incentive-laden full sizers.
 

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GM still is offering pretty pathetic or non-existent rebates for its compact, overpriced Canyon/Colorado pickups. Don't let me hear "Americans don't want small trucks", when they're not priced to move!

http://www.gm.com/shop/currentoffers/
How many days is the Canyon/Colorado averaging on dealer lots? If the number is relatively low then that would be a reason to not put any incentives on it.

Many companies still need new trucks but might be going for the more fuel efficient trucks.

Also, I'm how is the American Axle strike affecting production in Shreveport? If GM has already aligned inventories of compact trucks, they might not care about incentives..


As for me, I'm going to wait just like you. I've got a 0% loan on my 06 Mustang and I estimate I'll be out of negative equity by the end of the year. I'm hoping they put a little more money on the Acadia (though I know that might not be realistic) Every dime of incentives + my GMS discount = Sgt Beavis being very very happy ;)
 

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I guess I'll just sit on the sidelines and wait, since I don't want or need anything bigger than a crew cab Canyon, and I'm in no rush. 2007's are selling with 2000 off, but I don't want something that's been baking in the Houston sun for a year.

Of course the other, probably smarter option is to buy used, but I've got GM card points burning a hole in my pocket. :) (Haven't even checked how pitiful the allowance is)

The small trucks are way pricey --- the S-10's used to sell for very low prices. True, they were old-tech, but these new trucks don't make a lot of sense when put up against incentive-laden full sizers.
I noticed this the other day building a Canyon on GMC's website. Why buy a small/mid sized truck when you can get a Sierra for the same money (maybe even less!!)?

I really like the Canyon, but for the price GM is asking for it, it surely doesn't make much sense.
 

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Wow, I completely forgot about the value pricing they had been using.
 
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