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DETROIT — Cadillac has quietly stalled its plans to build a 12-cylinder flagship sedan and continues to wrestle with details and timing on a proposed rear-wheel-drive replacement for the STS and DTS sedans.

Inside Line has learned that the XLS sedan and its V12 engine, neither of which was ever officially approved for production, have been put on the shelf while Cadillac planners focus on developing a single high-end model to replace both the front-wheel-drive DTS and rear-wheel-drive STS.

The new sedan is known internally as DT7, using a new alphanumeric naming system that Cadillac is considering for its future production vehicles (the proposed baby Cadillac is known as AT1).

According to General Motors suppliers, the DT7 would be based on a premium version of the rear-wheel-drive Zeta platform that underpins the Pontiac G8 and Chevrolet Camaro, and had been scheduled to begin production in mid-2011 at GM's Lansing Grand River plant. Now its launch may slip until late 2011 or early 2012, they say.

Production of the current Cadillac DTS is slated to end in mid-2010, while the STS is to be phased out in late 2010, leaving a potential gap of a year or more before the new DT7 reaches the market.

A shortage of engineering and financial resources, and concerns about rising fuel prices, have prompted Cadillac planners to rethink much of the brand's future product arsenal, particularly at the upper end, as well as its proposed future powertrain lineup.

Cadillac last built 12-cylinder cars from 1930-'37. It displayed an experimental 750-horsepower 7.5-liter Northstar-based V12 in the 2002 Cadillac Cien concept. The engine featured direct injection and displacement on demand. Several years ago, it also tested a 7.2-liter V12 in the Escalade but canceled production plans.

What this means to you: For now, Cadillac has killed the V12 and expects to further de-emphasize the Northstar V8, while focusing much of its future powertrain development on V6 gasoline and diesel engines, including high-output variants of each for performance-oriented models.


stupid GM again
 

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This is NOT NEWS.


The DT7 has been cancelled entirely, and development is starting over.


The V12 was dumped a year or more ago.


As for "becoming Acura", after the DTS is gone, Cadillac will have 2 vehicles built on shared platforms. The Escalades and the SRX (starting with the new 2010 model). Sigma is still Cadillac exclusive and 3 products will be built on it, the CTS and its variants. 4 if the STS is given a stay of execution. Not even Lexus can say that, much less Acura.

And for those that think only GM is cutting upper end product, see this item on Toyota that seems to be getting very little attention:

With most American abandoning traditional trucks and SUVs in the wake of $4 gas, automakers are now scrambling to produce more fuel efficient vehicles. Even Toyota’s green image wasn’t enough to insulate it from the market turndown, which has forced the Japanese automaker to rethink its future lineup.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyotas-future-lineup-supraless-further-focus-on-fuel-economy.html



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What? So they haven't even started?! So at best it's going to be another 4 years before Cadillac as a high end luxury car, with no competitive V8s, and no V12. Right, because luxury drivers are so concerned about getting those extra 5 or so MPGs...

Jesus GM. Get it together already.
 

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What? So they haven't even started?!

So at best it's going to be another 4 years before Cadillac as a high end luxury car... Jesus GM. Get it together already.
Can you say "STS"?

Why is a 12 cylinder necessary? Even precious Lexus doesn't offer one.
 

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Can you say "STS"?

Why is a 12 cylinder necessary? Even precious Lexus doesn't offer one.
"Precious Lexus" has a 380 horsepower naturally aspirated V8 and a 400 horsepower V8 hybrid that - no matter how bad of a performance buy it is - is selling pretty well.

GM has sunk billions of dollars into resurrecting Cadillac in the past decade. It seems a shame to stall that foreward momentum with no new product slotted above the 2008 CTS until 2012.

The STS is not notably larger than the CTS and many reviews have called the 2008 CTS a superior car to the STS. It's present in the segment, but it's not a serious contender.
 

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I thought the V12 was dead awhile ago... but either way its still sucks.
 

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"Precious Lexus" has a 380 horsepower naturally aspirated V8 and a 400 horsepower V8 hybrid that - no matter how bad of a performance buy it is - is selling pretty well.

Exactly my point. A 12 cylinder is not a necessity.


"The STS is not notably larger than the CTS and many reviews have called the 2008 CTS a superior car to the STS. It's present in the segment, but it's not a serious contender.
This may well be true. But it the STS is still "in class", even if it's not the top. My point was that Cadillac does indeed have a high end car, at least for the time being.
 

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Exactly my point. A 12 cylinder is not a necessity.


This may well be true. But it the STS is still "in class", even if it's not the top. My point was that Cadillac does indeed have a high end car, at least for the time being.
No crap it isn't a "necessity". But then again neither is V8 power, or V6 power, or the CTS, or the Cadillac brand even.

GM is not going to get ANYWHERE only doing the minimum. That is exactly what got them into this position in the first place. Remember when GM was the absolute automotive leader worldwide, and the largest corporation in America? Do you remember what those cars were like? They were gorgeous, over the top, excessive in every way, rolling works of artwork and innovation. If they want to get anywhere they have to go back to that formula.

You can argue "oh well Toyota managed to get big without any of that". Yeah, and it also took them freakin 40 years to get to this point. Toyota's business model is based on slow and steady progression with consistently solid but never exciting product. That absolutely will not work for GM at this point. They are losing market share way too fast and they simply can't afford to operate as a small company. If they want to survive they have to win people back, and being like Toyota sure as hell isn't going to do it.
 

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Inside Line has learned that the XLS sedan and its V12 engine, neither of which was ever officially approved for production, have been put on the shelf while Cadillac planners focus on developing a single high-end model to replace both the front-wheel-drive DTS and rear-wheel-drive STS.
Translated: Inside Line would like to take a rumor that was never officially anounced, nor did GM ever approve of said product, and make a big article about it so that more people can hate GM for not being able to make cool cars, on top of the fact that we can still push through everyone's minds that GM has no money.


The new sedan is known internally as DT7, using a new alphanumeric naming system that Cadillac is considering for its future production vehicles (the proposed baby Cadillac is known as AT1).
Seriously, IF that is the case, sell and kill Caddy. AT1? DT7? Fail.

According to General Motors suppliers, the DT7 would be based on a premium version of the rear-wheel-drive Zeta platform that underpins the Pontiac G8 and Chevrolet Camaro, and had been scheduled to begin production in mid-2011 at GM's Lansing Grand River plant. Now its launch may slip until late 2011 or early 2012, they say.
Translation: The full size luxury sedan is based on other cars other then the "cheap" Pontiac G8 and "mullet" Camaro, but we figured we would pick those two to make this car sound as if it was just going to be a clunky hunk of junk. We wont talk about the other high end cars that are sold through out the world that are built off the same platform that will give you a better idea of what the car that was never approved nor confirmed by GM would be like, we would just like you to get the idea that itw ould be a Mullet 4 door Caddy.


What this means to you: For now, Cadillac has killed the V12 and expects to further de-emphasize the Northstar V8, while focusing much of its future powertrain development on V6 gasoline and diesel engines, including high-output variants of each for performance-oriented models.


stupid GM again
Translation: Caddy sucks, it will never make a cool car, even if GM never announced that they would ever make this car. But they could be making it, and we wouldnt know but we figured we would just keep guessing and throwing out negitive articles about GM and its current struggle to regain market share as well as clean up its image. Even though everyone else in the world is working on smaller more fuel efficent engines, we will phrase it in this article showing that GM is scrambling to do so, showing that they do not have the workforce to do several powertrain set ups at once.
Stupid GM always.
 

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Seriously, IF that is the case, sell and kill Caddy. AT1? DT7? Fail.
I agree.

Translation: Caddy sucks, it will never make a cool car, even if GM never announced that they would ever make this car. But they could be making it, and we wouldnt know but we figured we would just keep guessing and throwing out negitive articles about GM and its current struggle to regain market share as well as clean up its image. Even though everyone else in the world is working on smaller more fuel efficent engines, we will phrase it in this article showing that GM is scrambling to do so, showing that they do not have the workforce to do several powertrain set ups at once.
Stupid GM always.
I disagree.
Edmunds said:
Forget everything you thought you knew about the Cadillac CTS sedan. While you're at it, rethink what you've come to expect from Cadillac and even General Motors, too. The 2008 Cadillac CTS is that good.

Cadillac has stopped trying to be German, something it is not. Instead it has rediscovered itself and produced a uniquely American sport sedan without peer. That's a bold statement for sure, but name another American car like the 2008 Cadillac CTS.

Since Bob Lutz took the title of vice chairman of product development and chairman of GM North America in 2002, he has been telling us that GM has a brain trust as capable as any European or Asian automotive brand. After five years of disappointments from other GM models, the 2008 Cadillac CTS is proof of his word.

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With the makeover of the new car's chassis and suspension, the CTS has lost that heavy-footed feel that told you it was trying hard to be a German car.

You notice this particularly in the steering. To some, the effort feels too light, and lacks the heft many drivers confuse with sporty feel. But we're glad that Cadillac has instead delivered a delicate accuracy that you don't find in a BMW. There's nothing wrong with a low-friction, low-effort steering feel as long as the car itself steers with precision and communicative feel, just as the CTS does.

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The CTS's new interior treatment has a visual warmth, and interiors from BMW and Mercedes seem cold and austere in comparison, while a Lexus seems antiseptic.

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Standard for the World
This is the best Cadillac in 40 years.
(All taken from:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=122751 )

Edmunds doesn't hate GM or Cadillac. They recognize good product when they drive it.

No crap it isn't a "necessity". But then again neither is V8 power, or V6 power, or the CTS, or the Cadillac brand even.

GM is not going to get ANYWHERE only doing the minimum. That is exactly what got them into this position in the first place. Remember when GM was the absolute automotive leader worldwide, and the largest corporation in America? Do you remember what those cars were like? They were gorgeous, over the top, excessive in every way, rolling works of artwork and innovation. If they want to get anywhere they have to go back to that formula.

You can argue "oh well Toyota managed to get big without any of that". Yeah, and it also took them freakin 40 years to get to this point. Toyota's business model is based on slow and steady progression with consistently solid but never exciting product. That absolutely will not work for GM at this point. They are losing market share way too fast and they simply can't afford to operate as a small company. If they want to survive they have to win people back, and being like Toyota sure as hell isn't going to do it.
I agree with a lot of what you say, but when GM was a world automotive leader the standards of quality, reliability, efficiency, economy, quietness, handling, braking, and crash safety were nothing like they are today.

Beautiful designs and plentiful power are essential for modern GM vehicles - but the days when new curves to the front, adjusting the shape of the fins on the back, and adding a few cubic inches to the engine made a sales explosion are long dead.
 

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Can you say "STS"?

Why is a 12 cylinder necessary? Even precious Lexus doesn't offer one.

Read the papers... The STS is DEAD too (that really doesn't matter no one buys them anymore anyway)
DT7 DEAD
Ultra V8 DEAD
V12 DEAD
XLR DEAD
AWD SRX DEAD
Northstar V8? Future unclear... but if I had to bet... DEAD

By 2012 Cadillac will be a division with one car...
Nice work GM.
 

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Read the papers... The STS is DEAD too (that really doesn't matter no one buys them anymore anyway)
DT7 DEAD
Ultra V8 DEAD
V12 DEAD
XLR DEAD
AWD SRX DEAD
Northstar V8? Future unclear... but if I had to bet... DEAD
Wormer DEAD...

Neidermeyer DEAD...

Marmalarde DEAD...



The TV is DEAD and the Remonster is DEAD...death Emory, we are surrounded by it!



Phlilip Tataglia is DEAD, so is Barzzini, Moe Green, Cunio, Strachi.... today I settled all familly business.
 

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Wormer DEAD...

Neidermeyer DEAD...

Marmalarde DEAD...



The TV is DEAD and the Remonster is DEAD...death Emory, we are surrounded by it!



Phlilip Tataglia is DEAD, so is Barzzini, Moe Green, Cunio, Strachi.... today I settled all familly business.


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As for the STS, I wonder if it might get a stay-of-execution.

Think about it: The DTS is losing its factory to the Volt and other Delta II's. Sales of the STS are far from large, but they are more steady than the DTS, which has fallen quite a bit recently. That, and they aleady have a plant building them. I think they should continue STS production, even at lower numbers, until whatever replacement is finally planned begins production. It would give Cadillac at least a place-holder if not a world-beater. It would take up any spare capacity at the plant. It would also save the money required to move production of the DTS and Lucerne someplace else, cars that we know are at the end of their life-cycles anyway.
 
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