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Holden showroom 2020
How Lion badge plans to challenge Toyota
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By Jez Spinks
January10 2015

The picture is still not quite as clear for Holden’s showroom, as it hasn’t confirmed as many models as the Blue Oval has for its life Down Under without the Falcon or Territory (click here to read our Ford Showroom 2017 article).

However, we have some clear clues. Holden and Opel announced at the 2014 Paris motor show that more than a third of the future product line-up of General Motors’ Australian arm would be sourced from its German sister brand.

Expect those models to include commercial vehicles from Opel’s UK brand Vauxhall. Holden knows it will need a far more expansive and impressive range than it currently has if it is to achieve its publicly stated goal of overtaking Toyota by 2020 to become Australia’s top-selling automotive brand again.

CarAdvice has tapped into various sources from Holden, Opel and Vauxhall and combined various intelligence with our own thinking to formulate a guide to the vehicles that will or could wear the Lion badge from 2017 onwards.

We’ve indicated how strong the chances of a particular model being sold here are – being either Low, Medium or High – if not Confirmed or Continuing. Feel free to tell us (and Holden) which models you want to see in Australian showrooms.

*Full Article at Link
 

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This is out of the blue, but if true, a really smart one.
HOLDEN SILVERADO – HIGH
General Motors has said it is looking to make more of its future US-centric vehicles in right-hand drive, with big utes obvious candidates for our market. An official import should help Holden keep pricing far more attainable than the current crop of big trucks that are available in Australia via conversion specialists but continue to be prohibitively expensive ($100,000 plus).
 

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Holden showroom 2020
How Lion badge plans to challenge Toyota
Car Advice
By Jez Spinks
January10 2015

The picture is still not quite as clear for Holden’s showroom, as it hasn’t confirmed as many models as the Blue Oval has for its life Down Under without the Falcon or Territory (click here to read our Ford Showroom 2017 article).

However, we have some clear clues. Holden and Opel announced at the 2014 Paris motor show that more than a third of the future product line-up of General Motors’ Australian arm would be sourced from its German sister brand.

Expect those models to include commercial vehicles from Opel’s UK brand Vauxhall. Holden knows it will need a far more expansive and impressive range than it currently has if it is to achieve its publicly stated goal of overtaking Toyota by 2020 to become Australia’s top-selling automotive brand again.

CarAdvice has tapped into various sources from Holden, Opel and Vauxhall and combined various intelligence with our own thinking to formulate a guide to the vehicles that will or could wear the Lion badge from 2017 onwards.

We’ve indicated how strong the chances of a particular model being sold here are – being either Low, Medium or High – if not Confirmed or Continuing. Feel free to tell us (and Holden) which models you want to see in Australian showrooms.

*Full Article at Link

With that headline I was expecting a pic of a vacant lot with a bunch of rubble.
 

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I'm surprised at prediction to sell Corsa and Barina, and just as surprised at Astra and Cruze together.

The Volt is questionable as there's no plans to sell next generation Volt or derivative in Europe so no RHD version for Vauxhall - and Chevrolet's record on RHD cars isn't good.
 

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I'm surprised at prediction to sell Corsa and Barina, and just as surprised at Astra and Cruze together.

The Volt is questionable as there's no plans to sell next generation Volt or derivative in Europe so no RHD version for Vauxhall - and Chevrolet's record on RHD cars isn't good.
At this stage next-gen Holden Volt is dead as a Dodo.
 

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Agreed, the Volt is basically finished. Has been for nearly 2 years. After the initial launch stock come in, there was only a handfull of cars imported after that in the MY14 spec with Mylink. Holden has paid out most dealers for their capital investment made in order to support the car and has taken badges on dealership pylons. Last year the plan going forward was to have 1 dealer in each state dedicated to Volt, but I'm not really even sure if that's going ahead anymore.

In regards to Cruze/Astra, I believe this is going to happen, because I don't think there will be a New Gen Cruze Hatchback. If you have a look at the spy shots of MY16 Cruze and Astra, you'll notice that the interiors are basically the same....

Barina and Corsa, doesn't really make much sense, only if they drop the Barina RS and bring in the Corsa OPC/VXR. It's a great little car to drive and I'm sure the new model will be even better.

What we really need is a Captiva replacement and pronto, but I believe this is not coming until around MY18! MY16 is the final facelift of the current vehicle, arriving later this year.
 

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Agreed, the Volt is basically finished. Has been for nearly 2 years. After the initial launch stock come in, there was only a handfull of cars imported after that in the MY14 spec with Mylink. Holden has paid out most dealers for their capital investment made in order to support the car and has taken badges on dealership pylons. Last year the plan going forward was to have 1 dealer in each state dedicated to Volt, but I'm not really even sure if that's going ahead anymore.

In regards to Cruze/Astra, I believe this is going to happen, because I don't think there will be a New Gen Cruze Hatchback. If you have a look at the spy shots of MY16 Cruze and Astra, you'll notice that the interiors are basically the same....

Barina and Corsa, doesn't really make much sense, only if they drop the Barina RS and bring in the Corsa OPC/VXR. It's a great little car to drive and I'm sure the new model will be even better.

What we really need is a Captiva replacement and pronto, but I believe this is not coming until around MY18! MY16 is the final facelift of the current vehicle, arriving later this year.
If the Captiva replacement comes via Opel, it'll be the Antara/Zafira amalgamation crossover using a PSA EMP2 platform, probably a rebadge on the next generation Peugeot 4008 / Citroen C4 Aircross.
 

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What we really need is a Captiva replacement and pronto, but I believe this is not coming until around MY18! MY16 is the final facelift of the current vehicle, arriving later this year.
Opel are much more involved with the new Capitva development than they were with the current lineup, in fact this is now mainly an OPEL ITDC project.

The current Holden Captiva models are basically two different cars: Captiva 5 was a Opel-lead project, and Capitva 7 was a Daewoo-lead project. If you remember, at launch the current Captiva 5/Opel was the top-spec model. That just didn't sell.

Prior to launch Holden's market research indicated that young people would definitely prefer the Opel car, while 45+ would prefer the Daewoo car. In such case you would normally make the car preferred by younger buyers the cheaper model - young people simply don't have any money. Denny Mooney however overruled this, and Holden ended up with two market-mismatched sale-proof Captiva models - behind the scenes Holden really struggled to sell them at first.

I am really surprised by the current high sales volume. Holden love it because apart from the Commodore range the Capitva is a big cash cow right now, and they really need the cash.
 

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Opel are much more involved with the new Capitva development than they were with the current lineup, in fact this is now mainly an OPEL ITDC project.

The current Holden Captiva models are basically two different cars: Captiva 5 was a Opel-lead project, and Capitva 7 was a Daewoo-lead project. If you remember, at launch the current Captiva 5/Opel was the top-spec model. That just didn't sell.

Prior to launch Holden's market research indicated that young people would definitely prefer the Opel car, while 45+ would prefer the Daewoo car. In such case you would normally make the car preferred by younger buyers the cheaper model - young people simply don't have any money. Denny Mooney however overruled this, and Holden ended up with two market-mismatched sale-proof Captiva models - behind the scenes Holden really struggled to sell them at first.

I am really surprised by the current high sales volume. Holden love it because apart from the Commodore range the Capitva is a big cash cow right now, and they really need the cash.
I'm surprised you say that Captiva 5 was Opel-led as Opel had no direct expertise in SUVs as all previous Opel/Vauxhall SUVs had come from Isuzu - the Theta platform pre-dating the Captiva/Antara by 4 years being first used by Saturn Vue - and frankly the difference in a showroom between an Opel/Vauxhall Antara and Opel/Vauxhall Corsa/Astra/Vectra stood out a mile that they didn't come from the same place.
 

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If the Captiva replacement comes via Opel, it'll be the Antara/Zafira amalgamation crossover using a PSA EMP2 platform, probably a rebadge on the next generation Peugeot 4008 / Citroen C4 Aircross.
Captiva will be replaced by the next generation Equinox, not Zafira.
 

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Equinox or Envision - you posted two different things in different threads.
European Opel Antara will be rebadged Envision. Captiva will be built on the long version of this platform and will share it with the Equinox/Terrain.

In Europe, the Captiva will be replaced by a large SUV (Enclave-based).
 

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I doubt that Opel/Vauxhall will receive Equinox-version. Zafira, Antara/Envision, Enclave.
I'm still struggling to see how Opel/Vauxhall will move Zafira from FWD 7-seat MPV to a FWD/AWD 7-seat crossover without impacting on FWD/AWD Antara/Envision sales - especially if Opel get the Enclave - thats seems to me that Antara/Envision will be squeezed into oblivion.
 

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I'm surprised you say that Captiva 5 was Opel-led as Opel had no direct expertise in SUVs as all previous Opel/Vauxhall SUVs had come from Isuzu - the Theta platform pre-dating the Captiva/Antara by 4 years being first used by Saturn Vue - and frankly the difference in a showroom between an Opel/Vauxhall Antara and Opel/Vauxhall Corsa/Astra/Vectra stood out a mile that they didn't come from the same place.
It originally started as a Daewoo project, mainly for developing countries and Russia. Then to guarantee better ROI Detroit decided to sell it under the Opel and Vauxhall badges as well. Opel ITDC eventually got involved, and after only a few months Opel basically said that there is no way they are going to put the Opel badge on it. Detroit said OK, what would it take for Opel to accept this car - the answer was to completely redesign it. Even on paper it was plainly obvious that this was a low budget car with very poor NVH and driving dynamics.

Eventually GM decided to run 2 closely related projects, low cost Daewoo/Chevrolet and higher cost Opel. To make it worthwhile Opel then had to engineer another version for Saturn. In the end a lot of the Daewoo design/components ended up in the bin, with the Daewoo version picking up a lot of the Opel design. They are now much more closely related than originally planned.

As for no SUV/AWD experience at Opel: these days a lot of the development work is outsourced to all sorts of companies, even suppliers pick up a lot of the development work.
 
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