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Insignias works the $25 billion losers Opel Money Pits no freakin idea tragic destroys the Holden brand, what a very sad day.


The 2 hapless no freakin idea FWD twins June sales LOL
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So what was the alternative to this supposedly hapless FWD Insignia? Can you name a suitable and feasible GM vehicle available in RHD? No, not a fantasy/unicorn RWD GM performance car - a successful GM car, available in RHD please.

ZB Commodore was only one of Holden's many problems. There was hardly anything in Holden's range capable of breaking into top 10 sales chart. Holden ran into the ground under Detroit's watch, and under Detroit's management. Just in case you haven't noticed, GM is now starting to face the same issues in America - they are so busy buying back their stock to generate shareholder value, that they forgot how to design successful cars. Cars that sell themselves on their merit alone, and not due to sales allowances and insane 15% cash-back offers. Soon they are going to run out of factories to close down. They specialise in manufacturing automotive commodities and creating short-term wealth/RIO for their shareholders.

If you still think GM's management is a collection of managerial genius, how can you then explain PSA's ability of turning Opel around in less than 2 years, and making it one of Europe's most profitable car brands while their market share is shrinking.
 

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What it really means is that the decision (no RHD) was made 5 or 6 years ago as nothing new was included in the design cycle.
 

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What it really means is that the decision (no RHD) was made 5 or 6 years ago as nothing new was included in the design cycle.
I think the decision was made/finalised about 2-3 years ago, when GM dropped the Cadillac-based SS Chevy/Holden RWD sedan. Prior to that GM NA were heavily involved in RHD Equinox and Acadia.
 

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I think the decision was made/finalised about 2-3 years ago, when GM dropped the Cadillac-based SS Chevy/Holden RWD sedan. Prior to that GM NA were heavily involved in RHD Equinox and Acadia.
Was the Acadia originally going to be an Opel/Vauxhall as well but cancelled around the time GM and PSA started their joint production arrangement which preceded the sale of Opel/Vauxhall ?
 

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I think the decision was made/finalised about 2-3 years ago, when GM dropped the Cadillac-based SS Chevy/Holden RWD sedan. Prior to that GM NA were heavily involved in RHD Equinox and Acadia.
Idle observations from the peanut gallery: I remember remarking during the big announcement that 'Holden is here to stay' and supply of product is all planned to come via Opel. Then within weeks Opel was sold and from there it was simply a matter of time. GM USA has no appetite to do RHD despite what their rhetoric of a few years back may have said. The Arcadia was an aboration and tbh I'm surprised it made it here.

Had an AWD one a few weeks as a courtesy car for a few days and was genuinely impressed. For a huge soccer mum car it went like stink and wasn't wanting for anything. Granted I have never even sat in any of it's peers to yardstick it objectively however this was a nice car.
 

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I think you are being hard on Golfbravo. he wasn't saying anything about the merits of the latest Commodore. He was merely replying to my statement that I though the decision to get rid of RHD must have been made six years ago seeing no development was occurring.
 

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I think you are being hard on Golfbravo. he wasn't saying anything about the merits of the latest Commodore. He was merely replying to my statement that I though the decision to get rid of RHD must have been made six years ago seeing no development was occurring.
I wonder if GM actually took a decision to get rid of RHD - maybe it was so far off the radar that no-one realised what the effect of GM's global "strategy" would be - it's not like it was a joined up plan.
 

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I think you are being hard on Golfbravo. he wasn't saying anything about the merits of the latest Commodore. He was merely replying to my statement that I though the decision to get rid of RHD must have been made six years ago seeing no development was occurring.
I wonder if GM actually took a decision to get rid of RHD - maybe it was so far off the radar that no-one realised what the effect of GM's global "strategy" would be - it's not like it was a joined up plan.
In my experience, the world is full of people who want to do less and get paid more,
GM just lost interest in RHD, it's added expense, lower volume against Asian brands
that better match needs in those markets.
 

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In my experience, the world is full of people who want to do less and get paid more,
GM just lost interest in RHD, it's added expense, lower volume against Asian brands
that better match needs in those markets.
I also believe that GM is quite bureaucratic and ever department manager is fighting for a "better" budget and not getting it from above as they are trying to turn in a smaller budget to look good / protect thair azz
I also know GM used to have a major "issue" with revolving middle managers and a LACK of "fighters" left
 

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I also believe that GM is quite bureaucratic and ever department manager is fighting for a "better" budget and not getting it from above as they are trying to turn in a smaller budget to look good / protect thair azz
I also know GM used to have a major "issue" with revolving middle managers and a LACK of "fighters" left
If that's the issue, then that's on management. They should be looking both higher and deeper. That's their job. If Holden (and all those effected by RHD closures) were closed due to poor management infrastructure that would be slightly more disappointing. I find that very hard to believe though. There would be key indicators that the company would be moving towards. They would have been set very carefully, and a million project engineers and bean counters would have provided a billion reports to show that the gargantuan ship was slowly turning in the desired direction.

I don't believe for a second that something this big happened because there weren't enough metrics or spreadsheets. This was a claculated move, possibly because no one actually bought any Holdens. If the brand had any shred of good will or pull with GM in 2017, it was quickly lost when customers stopped turning up.

P.S. I think the quality of the Acadia build is quite average, but the Engine GB combo feels pretty tough.
 

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I also believe that GM is quite bureaucratic and ever department manager is fighting for a "better" budget and not getting it from above as they are trying to turn in a smaller budget to look good / protect thair azz
I also know GM used to have a major "issue" with revolving middle managers and a LACK of "fighters" left
If that's the issue, then that's on management. They should be looking both higher and deeper. That's their job. If Holden (and all those effected by RHD closures) were closed due to poor management infrastructure that would be slightly more disappointing. I find that very hard to believe though. There would be key indicators that the company would be moving towards. They would have been set very carefully, and a million project engineers and bean counters would have provided a billion reports to show that the gargantuan ship was slowly turning in the desired direction.

I don't believe for a second that something this big happened because there weren't enough metrics or spreadsheets. This was a claculated move, possibly because no one actually bought any Holdens. If the brand had any shred of good will or pull with GM in 2017, it was quickly lost when customers stopped turning up.

P.S. I think the quality of the Acadia build is quite average, but the Engine GB combo feels pretty tough.
As a shareholder of GM (Unfortunately they are part of the S&P 500/100 indexes of which I invest in), I'm particularly disappointed to hear this. It's clear the RHD withdrawal is entirely a failure of management. To hear the rot still being in middle and upper management doesn't surprise me at all, tbh I'd be more surprised if it had been cleaned out.
 

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As a shareholder of GM (Unfortunately they are part of the S&P 500/100 indexes of which I invest in), I'm particularly disappointed to hear this. It's clear the RHD withdrawal is entirely a failure of management. To hear the rot still being in middle and upper management doesn't surprise me at all, tbh I'd be more surprised if it had been cleaned out.
Mother Barrah is middle management, she has no idea what she is doing
 

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In other news, GM has sold RenCen to pay for more stock buy back after moving its headquarters to Wall St.
 

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Was the Acadia originally going to be an Opel/Vauxhall as well but cancelled around the time GM and PSA started their joint production arrangement which preceded the sale of Opel/Vauxhall ?
The Acadia was never considered for Opel/Vauxhall - too big, too crude, too thirsty. Buick Envision was co-developed by Opel, and it was supposed to be the flagship (Monza).
 

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The Acadia was never considered for Opel/Vauxhall - too big, too crude, too thirsty. Buick Envision was co-developed by Opel, and it was supposed to be the flagship (Monza).
Presumably getting another courtesy car in a few weeks to fix the warranty repair I got done last time. Wonder what it will be?
 

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The Acadia was never considered for Opel/Vauxhall - too big, too crude, too thirsty. Buick Envision was co-developed by Opel, and it was supposed to be the flagship (Monza).
Thanks - so was the Envision never sold in any RHD market even though Opel's involvement would have ensured it was RHD-capable?
 

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Thanks - so was the Envision never sold in any RHD market even though Opel's involvement would have ensured it was RHD-capable?
Correct,
It may have been an Opel developed platform but the Americans definitely developed the larger
SUVs like it and other large FWDs like Enclave, Traverse and XT6
 

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My local dealer has sold out and signage is coming down this coming week.
 
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