[sdotjeezy]

Looks great! I love the way that C pillar kink somewhat mirrors the shape of the tail light. The car looks refined and powerful! I'd love to see it in black!

Let that be a lesson to GMI (or another lesson of something we've learned over and over), 20 or so pages on the C pillar kink and it looks fine in real life. A lesson we already knew - don't go off of GM's CGI and press pictures, they have a way of making things look "not right".

What are the two holes/dots above the license plate? Cameras? Sensors? Looks like there is a camera in the back of the whale tale already...

And why isn't this on the main ticker?

I assumed the 2 holes were mounts for the missing badge

 

[Envoy4Life]

That is TERRIBLE!!! Granted the basic white paint certainly isn't doing it any favors, but it looks like a goddamn bar of soap. Literally.

It's a given that every car basically is the same shape and looks somewhat similar nowadays (automotive design ****ing sucks in 2019) due to aero and crash safety requirements, but this car basically confirms what was my biggest fear when the stupid Escala concept debuted. It simply does not look like a Cadillac. At all. Even the rear, which photographed well in the CGI photos, looks off in these real world photos. Sad.

I still maintain that Escala was the worst thing to happen to Cadillac design. Boring, anonymous, derivative, and completely soulless. I genuinely do miss Art & Science. Ciel and or Elmiraj should have been the future of Cadillac design, not the Escala.

 

[Dovetonsils]

That is TERRIBLE!!! The basic white paint certainly isn't doing it any favors, but it looks like a goddamn bar of soap. Literally.

No car looks good in Rental Car White.

Now show it to me in Dark Adriatic Blue Metallic and we'll see.

 

[1958carnut]

That is TERRIBLE!!! Granted the basic white paint certainly isn't doing it any favors, but it looks like a goddamn bar of soap. Literally.

It's a given that every car basically is the same shape and looks somewhat similar nowadays (automotive design ****ing sucks in 2019) due to aero and crash safety requirements, but this car basically confirms what was my biggest fear when the stupid Escala concept debuted. It simply does not look like a Cadillac. At all. Even the rear, which photographed well in the CGI photos, looks off in these real world photos. Sad.

I still maintain that Escala was the worst thing to happen to Cadillac design. Boring, anonymous, derivative, and completely soulless. I genuinely do miss Art & Science. Ciel and or Elmiraj should have been the future of Cadillac design, not the Escala.

I somewhat agree with a lot of what you say. This car ain't awful but if you took the Cadillac themed front and rear ends off of it, it could be anybody's car. Now that many years have come and gone I think the original Art & Science CTS looks quite nice though.

 

[Envoy4Life]

Here are my problems with the design of this car.

Look at it without the badges:

This car does not look like a Cadillac. Heck, it looks more Asian to me than anything, especially from the rear 3/4 view.

This car is doing a disservice to the once proud Cadillac brand from a design standpoint.

And being honest? If somebody threw on a Chevy bowtie and told me this was the new Cruze in ~2016, I would have absolutely believed them.

Somebody. Anybody. Please buy Cadillac and save it from GM. This simply shouldn't be allowed to happen to America's flagship luxury brand.

 

[DaBangBang]

Looks good to me, and yeah, white out in the sun with no type of detailing is not the best gauge of looks... but I am having an issue with the Black Front. Is it the angle? Is it the Sport? Why is their no Chrome or shine on that grill? The XT4 has the same type of grill and there is a 3 dimensional shine to it.. this is just stark black.

 

[Ed753]

If the CT5 replaces both the CTS and the ATS, what about the CT4? A CLA FWD type layout?

CT5 ----- Think CTS
CT4 ----- Think ATS

Looks great! I love the way that C pillar kink somewhat mirrors the shape of the tail light.

I really like how the extra-thick chrome of that C-Pillar kink surrounds that piece of black plastic; really looks classy.

Looks good to me, and yeah, white out in the sun with no type of detailing is not the best gauge of looks... but I am having an issue with the Black Front. Is it the angle? Is it the Sport? Why is their no Chrome or shine on that grill? The XT4 has the same type of grill and there is a 3 dimensional shine to it.. this is just stark black.

Agree too much black plastic up front.

 

[DaBangBang]

Agree too much black plastic up front.

I think I figured it out.. there is no break-up. As in around the grille there is no metal... its blacked out. This obviously is not production ready as SKH pointed out in the other thread. The Black is there on the Sport model of the CT6, but it has the metal surrounding it. This does not.. thus the pic make sit look weird IMO

Here's a tester CT6-V with the same thing going on around the grill

 

[Envoy4Life]

No car looks good in Rental Car White.

Now show it to me in Dark Adriatic Blue Metallic and we'll see.

I'm not asking for Pininfarina penned brilliance, I just want the thing to look like a Cadillac.

This is a current generation base trim CTS in Rental Car White:

Design is purely subjective of course, but that, to me, is a far superior design, mainly due to the fact that it actually looks like a Cadillac, unlike this anonymous blob of a car. Stupid Escala Concept and related design cues are going to ruin Cadillac design for me for the next decade+. Ugh.

 

[1958carnut]

I'm not asking for Pininfarina penned brilliance, I just want the thing to look like a Cadillac.

This is a current generation base trim CTS in Rental Car White:

Design is purely subjective of course, but that, to me, is a far superior design, mainly due to the fact that it actually looks like a Cadillac, unlike this anonymous blob of a car. Stupid Escala Concept and related design cues are going to ruin Cadillac design for me for the next decade+. Ugh.

And... It looks like A Cadillac should look these days. (Subjectively of course)

 

[ksr]

Here are my problems with the design of this car.

Look at it without the badges:

This car does not look like a Cadillac. Heck, it looks more Asian to me than anything, especially from the rear 3/4 view.

This car is doing a disservice to the once proud Cadillac brand from a design standpoint.

And being honest? If somebody threw on a Chevy bowtie and told me this was the new Cruze in ~2016, I would have absolutely believed them.

Somebody. Anybody. Please buy Cadillac and save it from GM. This simply shouldn't be allowed to happen to America's flagship luxury brand.

I think if you take off the front badging, it still very definitely looks like a Cadillac. Like it or not, that's what the styling has evolved into. Same to a lesser degree with the tail. There's pretty obvious similarities to the CT6.

 

[mbukukanyau]

Here are my problems with the design of this car.

Look at it without the badges:

This car does not look like a Cadillac. Heck, it looks more Asian to me than anything, especially from the rear 3/4 view.

This car is doing a disservice to the once proud Cadillac brand from a design standpoint.

And being honest? If somebody threw on a Chevy bowtie and told me this was the new Cruze in ~2016, I would have absolutely believed them.

Somebody. Anybody. Please buy Cadillac and save it from GM. This simply shouldn't be allowed to happen to America's flagship luxury brand.

Put down the beer

 

[ksr]

I really have little issue with the face or ass, it's the profile the bothers me. To my eyes that greenhouse screams utility over design, which I can understand to a point. If I'm paying Cadillac money for a car I want to love it, and I don't.

Agree with you, the profile is the part that makes me uncomfortable. Front and back are good. Maybe they are trying for more utility in the design, since interior room, particularly in the back seat, has been an issue.

Hopefully it will look better in person. There's been more than a few cars, including several that I ended up purchasing, that I didn't like at all from the first pictures but which steadily grew on me.

 

[jesda1]

It looks like a decade old Nissan.

 

[09W]

...if you took the Cadillac themed front and rear ends off of it, it could be anybody's car.

That's the same with nearly everybody's car. Auto design = homogenization. And it's not just 2019, it's basically the 21st century.

Design; dynamic, striking, unique design, is dead. Or restricted to concept cars only.

 

[Mr.Buttons]

That's the same with nearly everybody's car. Auto design = homogenization. And it's not just 2019, it's basically the 21st century.

Design; dynamic, striking, unique design, is dead. Or restricted to concept cars only.

Concept cars are even lacking these days.

 

[samesun]

Design is purely subjective of course, but that, to me, is a far superior design, mainly due to the fact that it actually looks like a Cadillac, unlike this anonymous blob of a car. Stupid Escala Concept and related design cues are going to ruin Cadillac design for me for the next decade+. Ugh.

Sorry I love most of cts but the butt is terrible. Blah and anonymous. It’s like caddy fired the designers before they finished the back and had the night cleaning staff finish design. IMO, this and price is why cts fell on its face.

And Cadillac should be applauded for continued engineering of sedans and advancing their design language while other manufacturers’ worship the almighty suv.

Btw... that bar of soap was a cute try but it actually resembles the unloved nautilus-mkx/mkc imo. Thanks for the brilliant comparison

 

[The Handler]

That's the same with nearly everybody's car. Auto design = homogenization. And it's not just 2019, it's basically the 21st century.

Design; dynamic, striking, unique design, is dead. Or restricted to concept cars only.

The safety-obsessed central planners ruined automotive design with their never-ending safety decrees.

 

[emh]

I'm not asking for Pininfarina penned brilliance, I just want the thing to look like a Cadillac.

This is a current generation base trim CTS in Rental Car White:

Design is purely subjective of course, but that, to me, is a far superior design, mainly due to the fact that it actually looks like a Cadillac, unlike this anonymous blob of a car. Stupid Escala Concept and related design cues are going to ruin Cadillac design for me for the next decade+. Ugh.

Judging by recent Cadillac sedan sales, I'd venture that looking like a Cadillac hasn't been such a hot ticket. Plus the current CTS photographs well but something about it looks odd every time I see one in real life (except in V form). I agree with the folks who find the CT5's profile uninspiring but I suspect it would at least not look as odd as its predecessor.

 

[69gtsdart]

That's the same with nearly everybody's car. Auto design = homogenization. And it's not just 2019, it's basically the 21st century.
Design; dynamic, striking, unique design, is dead. Or restricted to concept cars only.

thats only if your Design Team isnt as Creative.

The front could be more Blunt especially in the Grill area, hell i think the grill should be expanded to cover the whole front Horizontally to the Vertical Headlamps like older Cadillacs. (a Cadillac Design Cue)

Headlamps should Connect and Flow all the way down the Front Fenders like the CT6V.. That Grill has to be more 3 Dimensional, somewhat of a Deep Dish to pull it off.

I would like it if the C Pillar was Thicker. like Trapezoid and at 50-60 Degree Slope (another old Caddy Cue).. youll have Plenty of Head room cause the roof would be sloped so aggressively. and who cares about "Blindspots" when you have Technology to prevent it. If you can have Pickup trucks where you have a Rear Camera that can See through what your towing. You can do that same for a Sedan *Shrug*