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I liked the Regal GS and would've bought one in 2013 had the ATS not come out. But, how is discontinuing a vehicle almost no one bought ruining the brand? As much as I liked the Regal GS, performance isn't Buick's thing and hasn't been for decades. Even the awesome GNX was a poor fit for Buick way back when.
GM brands were much differently aligned in the 80's when the GNX was around, my cousin bought a new Regal right out of H.S. it was most teens 'dream car' back in the day.

Maybe just because it was there and made a statement even if very few actually bought it, so it being gone diminished the brand sort of. But I would differ because they've done similar things which came and went :whistle: and the brand still holds on to a semi old persons 🤔vehicle mostly.
And today, Buick is just an "ole-people" CUV brand, at best you can add in a few middle-aged women to its target market.

Yes, Buick isn't a "gotta have it brand"... I'm not sure what the right answer is for Buick.
They went from Grandma/Rental Cars to Grandma CUV's..........

One thought with Buick, it may not be so dire. Buick USA requires little time or money from GM, similar to what GMC used to be. Could be that due to the low investment needs it is more profitable than we think.
GM (GMC) kind of needs Buick to give those dealerships some balance, but as GM continues to expand GMC's line-up and with both offering a lot of overlapping CUV's less and less so.

Personally, my biggest turn-off is COO, the new Envision, which rides on the same platform as the XT4, seems like a decent vehicle, much better than the Gen I version; just make it here........ Fairfax Plant has been idled since the first week of February people!
 

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Many gas stations have (gasps) gas generators that can easily supply the pumps with power to pump gasoline during any power issues.
Ours didnt...people were flocking from areas with no electricity to the parts that did after Ida to get gas....it was a cluster.

All I could think as I drove past the half mile long gas lines was "if I had an EV, I wouldn't have to deal with this ****"
 

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The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor and people snap up their products. The Germans would've destroyed us had we not stood up to them in the 1940's, and we snap up their products - I'd say China is no different.
True...And if I was in the market for an SUV all over again today I would seriously, very seriously consider the new Buick Envision, China made and all. I like what they've done with it that much. :)
 

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Ours didnt...people were flocking from areas with no electricity to the parts that did after Ida to get gas....it was a cluster.

All I could think as I drove past the half mile long gas lines was "if I had an EV, I wouldn't have to deal with this ****"
Ours didnt...people were flocking from areas with no electricity to the parts that did after Ida to get gas....it was a cluster.

All I could think as I drove past the half mile long gas lines was "if I had an EV, I wouldn't have to deal with this ****"
The definition of luxury in automobiles is waiting line at Costco to pump your own gas.
 

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Ours didnt...people were flocking from areas with no electricity to the parts that did after Ida to get gas....it was a cluster.

All I could think as I drove past the half mile long gas lines was "if I had an EV, I wouldn't have to deal with this ****"
And would you have gone from these other areas as well to try and find a place to charge that EV? :D
 

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GM brands were much differently aligned in the 80's when the GNX was around, my cousin bought a new Regal right out of H.S. it was most teens 'dream car' back in the day.



And today, Buick is just an "ole-people" CUV brand, at best you can add in a few middle-aged women to its target market.



They went from Grandma/Rental Cars to Grandma CUV's..........



GM (GMC) kind of needs Buick to give those dealerships some balance, but as GM continues to expand GMC's line-up and with both offering a lot of overlapping CUV's less and less so.

Personally, my biggest turn-off is COO, the new Envision, which rides on the same platform as the XT4, seems like a decent vehicle, much better than the Gen I version; just make it here........ Fairfax Plant has been idled since the first week of February people!
GM brands were certainly different back in the 80's and people didn't mind buying a Buick performance vehicle. But, perhaps that was part of GM's problem - their many brands were so unfocused, chasing any customer they could get vs. focusing on a brand ideal that will cater very well to a couple of target demographics. Maybe that was the death throws of the old GM life to death scenario (start in a Chevy, next car Pontiac then Olds, then Buick then Caddy) that was no longer working.

GM still doesn't seem keen on giving Buick a strong identity and advertising it. But, it might be part of my scenario (assuming I'm correct) of minimal investment - just leave it be and see who it attracts. Not sure that I'd run it that way, if that is truly what they are doing.

Are there that many stand alone Buick/GMC stores anymore?
 

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GM brands were certainly different back in the 80's and people didn't mind buying a Buick performance vehicle. But, perhaps that was part of GM's problem - their many brands were so unfocused, chasing any customer they could get vs. focusing on a brand ideal that will cater very well to a couple of target demographics. Maybe that was the death throws of the old GM life to death scenario (start in a Chevy, next car Pontiac then Olds, then Buick then Caddy) that was no longer working.

GM still doesn't seem keen on giving Buick a strong identity and advertising it. But, it might be part of my scenario (assuming I'm correct) of minimal investment - just leave it be and see who it attracts. Not sure that I'd run it that way, if that is truly what they are doing.

Are there that many stand alone Buick/GMC stores anymore?
The problem was the lack of diversity; 5 version of the J-Car, 4 versions of the A-Car, 4 versions of the X-Car, etc, etc, etc............

I see all kinds of Buick commercials, all some old lady or a bunch of chicks.......

You see a dude in a Buick, assume it's his wife's.

I'm not sure I understand the question; aren't they ALL combined Buick/GMC Stores?
 

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The problem was the lack of diversity; 5 version of the J-Car, 4 versions of the A-Car, 4 versions of the X-Car, etc, etc, etc............

I see all kinds of Buick commercials, all some old lady or a bunch of chicks.......

You see a dude in a Buick, assume it's his wife's.

I'm not sure I understand the question; aren't they ALL combined Buick/GMC Stores?
That last question: Not necessarily so. Just north of here they have a Buick/Chevrolet dealership, Bradshaw's at one end of town, and on the other there is Tri State Motors selling Cadillac/GMC.
 

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That last question: Not necessarily so. Just north of here they have a Buick/Chevrolet dealership, Bradshaw's at one end of town, and on the other there is Tri State Motors selling Cadillac/GMC.
I am sure there are a few unique situations, but by and large, in the late 2000's the Pontiac/Buick/GMC alignment was under way and then after 2008/2009 meltdown, most Buick's went along with GMC's. And I bet there is even fewer (any) stand alone Buick or GMC Dealerships. It made a lot of sense, "short-lines" of Pontiac, Buick and GMC all complimented each other, now everything is Truck's, SUV's and CUV's. I still like the way Chrysler Brands ended up.
 

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I am sure there are a few unique situations, but by and large, in the late 2000's the Pontiac/Buick/GMC alignment was under way and then after 2008/2009 meltdown, most Buick's went along with GMC's. And I bet there is even fewer (any) stand alone Buick or GMC Dealerships. It made a lot of sense, "short-lines" of Pontiac, Buick and GMC all complimented each other, now everything is Truck's, SUV's and CUV's. I still like the way Chrysler Brands ended up.
True. I think some in these smaller towns that were already the way they are just stayed that way and it's really no biggie AFIIC.
 

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The problem was the lack of diversity; 5 version of the J-Car, 4 versions of the A-Car, 4 versions of the X-Car, etc, etc, etc............

I see all kinds of Buick commercials, all some old lady or a bunch of chicks.......

You see a dude in a Buick, assume it's his wife's.

I'm not sure I understand the question; aren't they ALL combined Buick/GMC Stores?
Definitely a huge piece was a lack of diversity! I remember when I went to buy my first car, a Chevy Cavalier Z24. I looked at all the J cars, to me it was deciding what front clip I liked better as they all looked the same otherwise. I didn't view them as one was luxury (Cadillac), one as sporty (Pontiac), etc.. It's safe to say GM 1980's had all sorts of problems...

I meant aren't most dealers now Chevy/GMC/Buick/Cadillac? Are there many dealers that only sell GMC & Buick?
 

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I meant aren't most dealers now Chevy/GMC/Buick/Cadillac? Are there many dealers that just sell GMC & Buick?
I think the split after the major rehash of things and the new store design themes was Buick/GMC and Chevrolet/Cadillac pairings, but with a few exceptions as I previously mentioned.
 

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I get that way myself sometimes. Hey maybe that's why so and so has so many single replies in a row instead of a broad sweep multi reply ?:unsure:🧐
Just came back from my trainer, I think the blood has drained out of my head and into my muscles :ROFLMAO:
 

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Don't go passing out on the keyboard while posting something :D
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I meant aren't most dealers now Chevy/GMC/Buick/Cadillac? Are there many dealers that only sell GMC & Buick?
I suppose "my view" is distorted from much of the country, but around here there is enough volume for each:
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....That's plenty fair as long as the surcharge is indexed to inflation and is used solely for the repair and maintenance of roads, streets and bridges (both are currently the case with Mississippi's EV surcharge).
You've forgotten about the ingenuity of politicians.

They can enact, say, a million Dollars of new taxes directly for roads. They can even direct every bit of that money to the roads. And yet the total money going to the roads doesn't go up one bit. It could even go down.

How can that be?

For example, they could have a current budget of 20 million Dollars for roads. Then along comes that new road funding of a million Dollars. So, those ingenuous politicians lower the "regular" road funding budget to 19 million Dollars. The result? Road funding is still 20 million Dollars, with one million coming from that new funding.

This is how a couple of decades ago Michigan got legalized gambling (casinos, state lottery, and just recently, sports betting). They stated that all proceeds would go to school funding, and put it up for a vote.

Now the various gambling income is bringing in almost a billion Dollars in revenue to the state every year. Are the school systems now rolling in dough? Nope.
 
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