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GM shakes up full-size truck program.
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August 31, 2012
By: Nick Saporito


In recent weeks, news and speculation surrounding GM’s next generation full-size trucks and SUVs has been piqued. The increased speculation has stemmed from multiple rumors and spy shots that suggest the new full-size trucks and SUVs will not be as Earth shattering as originally speculated. GMI has now been told that GM has canceled almost all of the hybrid variants of the new trucks and SUVs.

GMI has confirmed with several sources—both external and internal at GM—that the hybrid program surrounding the full-size trucks and SUVs has been shutdown. It is unusual for GM to cancel programs that are so close to launch, but many insiders GMI has spoken with are not terribly surprised by the move.

The current batch of hybrid trucks and SUVs has historically not sold well. It has also been reported to GMI that the program has seen cost overruns and management does not feel like the hybrid trucks and SUVs are worth continued investment at this time.

Sources have indicated that the Escalade Hybrid may remain in the cards for the next generation. If true, GM likely feels the public relations aspect of having celebrities purchase the “green” Escalade deems the investment a worthwhile one. The 2014 Escalade is slated to be the last new SUV to launch in January 2014, meaning GM has more time to develop a hybrid version of the Escalade.

As it stands today GM offers their Two-Mode hybrid system in the Cadillac Escalade, Chevrolet Silverado and Tahoe and GMC Sierra and Yukon. The Two-Mode system utilizes two electric motors housed in the transmission case and a nickel-metal hydride battery pack to assist in powering the vehicle under specified conditions. In most applications the system is rated at 20 mpg city and 23 mpg highway.

The original plan called for the next generation trucks and SUVs to utilize an updated version of the current Two-Mode system. Updates to the powertrain were to include mating it to a smaller displacement V-8 engine, upgrading the battery storage to a more modern lithium ion pack and revised electric motors.

Collectively, it was also speculated that the new hybrids would technically have more than two modes, including possible plug-in functionality.

News of GM scrapping the hybrids comes on the heels of further reports from insiders that suggest a recent interior spy shot of the 2014 Chevrolet Silverado and reaction to it led to a shakeup of the entire new truck program. Details of what exactly has changed are unclear, but nonetheless, development of GM’s latest trucks and SUVs continue to evolve – despite launching in just nine to 10 months from now.
 

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Im glad to hear they are doing some last minute changes to the interior. Question remains as to what they can do with so little time left however.
 

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What they should do is put the BAS/alternator on ALL the Silvies. Making the two mode hybrid an expensive option is not the way to boost the CAFE numbers. So few are sold it has virtually no impact - but you still have all that expensive development cost and manufacturing capacity.

The BAS or 'eco' is a high 'bank for the buck' factor that more complex systems can't match.

Launches in 9 months? I thought it was going to be more like five or six months. I'm not an instrument panel/HVAC fetishist like apparently half the internet armchair experts who were aghast at the fact that it had *gasp* a center stack (?) Good job guys. Maybe you delayed the launch an extra four months.
 

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No, what they should do is focus their hybrid efforts on small cars and leave the damn trucks alone.
 

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Since we've waited this long, send the whole truck back to the drawing board. We don't need a class competitive truck, how about a class leading truck. I hope this doesn't turn into another Malibu fiasco, a half baked truck debuting with half the features. GM is in need of some serious management changes.
 

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Even though sales of the Hybrid models are so miniscule anyway, I worry how this may be portrayed in the mainstream media. This could easily be taken as GM is taking a step backwards in the fuel efficiency of their large SUVs and trucks (not saying that I agree, just that's the way I see this playing out).
 

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So much for the conspiracy theorists who claimed GM got breaks in the new CAFE because they were the only ones with hybrid trucks.
 

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Im glad to hear they are doing some last minute changes to the interior. Question remains as to what they can do with so little time left however.
I have this mental image of GM being so big of a company that it takes a long time to change anything. If the previous interior spy photos were truly 95% production intent, GM will have their work cut out for themselves if they plan to make a major change & keep the original launch schedule.
 

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News of GM scrapping the hybrids comes on the heels of further reports from insiders that suggest a recent interior spy shot of the 2014 Chevrolet Silverado and reaction to it led to a shakeup of the entire new truck program. Details of what exactly has changed are unclear, but nonetheless, development of GM’s latest trucks and SUVs continue to evolve – despite launching in just nine to 10 months from now.
That is the most interesting piece of news in the entire article. If true, it leads me to believe that the "wrap around" in the interior shot going around earlier was production, not just a cover. I'm not sure what kind of changes they are going to make in nine to ten months though.
 

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This could be a big mistake!! With Ford's EcoBoost 3.5L V6 not doing much better then the opt 5.0L V8 in fuel economy the GM Hybrid system could and should be used much more! Offer it as a low cost opt on more then just the 6.0L V8 as packaged today. Its a great system that could BEAT the Ford EcoBoost hands down if given a proper chance with more availability on more engines then it is today!
 

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What they should do is put the BAS/alternator on ALL the Silvies. Making the two mode hybrid an expensive option is not the way to boost the CAFE numbers. So few are sold it has virtually no impact - but you still have all that expensive development cost and manufacturing capacity.
The BAS or 'eco' is a high 'bank for the buck' factor that more complex systems can't match.
Launches in 9 months? I thought it was going to be more like five or six months. I'm not an instrument panel/HVAC fetishist like apparently half the internet armchair experts who were aghast at the fact that it had *gasp* a center stack (?) Good job guys. Maybe you delayed the launch an extra four months.
eAssist in the Malibu gives 5-7 mpg higher results, which exceeds what the 2 Mode was delivering, yet at a relatively low cost. Far better banG for the buck.
While I'm sure all us arm-chair engineering experts can do it better than GM, let's wait a few months to see what we actually get, rather than condemning what we haven't seen and don't know about?
 

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Wow thats a shocker. I was expecting big things from the new hybrids. The old ones were not really a deal, I though this generation would see signifigant performance upgrades.
 

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I believe those hybrids were just too fearsomely expensive to produce. I think that's what happens when you get in bed with the Germans to engineer an already expensive system.
 

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If they are going to offer an Escalade version at some point they should open it up to Tahoe buyers. That should cover both classes of 'rich and look green' and the potential economy buyer who needs a tahoe size/towing and would like a hybrid. No GMC offering.

I presume any powertain in an Escalade should bolt right into a Tahoe. Maybe make the Tahoes special order only - but give the option.

I also agree with a previous post - WTH are the 'car' hybrids from GM??????????
 

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eAssist in the Malibu gives 5-7 mpg higher results, which exceeds what the 2 Mode was delivering, yet at a relatively low cost. Far better banG for the buck.
While I'm sure all us arm-chair engineering experts can do it better than GM, let's wait a few months to see what we actually get, rather than condemning what we haven't seen and don't know about?
I would imagine with a 15mpg city vehicle you would get maybe 3mpg improvement (still, 20% ain't bad) whereas if you are starting with a 25mpg vehicle you get 5mpg (20% again). I would also say for a $70K Escalade, the extra $5K cost of two mode actually wouldn't make much difference to those buyers - plus they can have the prestige of an 'advanced' technology.
 

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If they are going to offer an Escalade version at some point they should open it up to Tahoe buyers. That should cover both classes of 'rich and look green' and the potential economy buyer who needs a tahoe size/towing and would like a hybrid. No GMC offering.

I presume any powertain in an Escalade should bolt right into a Tahoe. Maybe make the Tahoes special order only - but give the option.

I also agree with a previous post - WTH are the 'car' hybrids from GM??????????
I thought they were built on the same assembly line so no big deal - then again, you would have save more in materials and manufacturing costs if you just canned the whole shebang.
 
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