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Hang on to Your Hats With Both Hands Folks – the Regulatory Push Barely has Begun!

If the auto industry thinks it’s going to have a hard time meeting U.S. fuel-economy mandates or European limits on carbon-dioxide emissions, it ain’t seen nothing yet.
Hold onto your hat with both hands folks – the regulatory push barely has begun.
I just had a fascinating discussion with three leading environmentalists in California, with the goal of getting an idea of where the next round of CO2 regulations is headed. After all, as goes California, so goes the nation – and ultimately the world. And what the California environmental lobby really wants is corporate average fuel economy of somewhere between 70 and 100 mpg (3.4 L/100 km and 2.4 L/100 km).
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3L VW Lupo's for everyone! ;)
 

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I don't think we have to worry about that.

People are going with the standards now because gas is expensive.

100mpg is a joke and the rest of the country won't care about pollution sitting in California becaused of it's geography.
 

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Just like the zero emission mandate, I think that if it actually was mandated, it would get overturned. I do think however that there actually are people out there that think this is worth the time and effort.

Of course, wouldn't it be hilarious if a 70-100MPG mandate was passed, and GM was the only automaker that stepped up with a remotely viable family car? That would be cool. la la la. Well, better get back down to earth now.
 

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Re: Hang on to Your Hats With Both Hands Folks – the Regulatory Push Barely has Begun

Reducing the number of cars on the road would be a much more effective way to cut CO2 emissions. Forcing cars to get 70+ MPG would cause them to be outrageously expensive.

There are numerous ways to decrease the number of vehicles on the road:
Better mass transit
Incentives to:
Move closer to workplaces
Carpooling
telecommuting
 

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Re: Hang on to Your Hats With Both Hands Folks – the Regulatory Push Barely has Begun

Why doesn't CA just do a $3 per gallon fuel tax and drop the CAFE thing. Change demand and the supply for fuel efficient vehicles will come
 

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Re: Hang on to Your Hats With Both Hands Folks – the Regulatory Push Barely has Begun

Glad I'm gonna get the stuff I want before any of this kicks in.
Given the normal length of time I keep my cars the vehicles I have now and the next ones should last well into my 70's.
 

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Re: Hang on to Your Hats With Both Hands Folks – the Regulatory Push Barely has Begun

There are numerous ways to decrease the number of vehicles on the road:
Better mass transit
Gas is still too cheap. I tried years ago to commute by train (Hamilton to Oakville, in Ontario). The train schedule was fairly convenient, but gas was just to cheap to 'justify' taking the train.
 

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Re: Hang on to Your Hats With Both Hands Folks – the Regulatory Push Barely has Begun

I wish California would just secede from the rest of the USA. Or fall into the ocean. Either one is fine with me.
 

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Re: Hang on to Your Hats With Both Hands Folks – the Regulatory Push Barely has Begun

Can we just let them secede? Then they can have their pollution free, vegan utopia without dragging the rest of the country down with them. Maria Shriver for Supreme Chancellor!

I'd like to have 70-100mpg as much as the next guy, but I'm not willing to pay 100k for a car that does 0-60 in 3 minutes. As far as plug-ins go, isn't California the place of rolling blackouts in the summer? How could their infrastructure possibly handle the addition of 36 million vehicles that will suckle off the grid for 8 hours a day? This is the typical "I want, I want, I want" attitude with no respect for consequences that many Americans currently have.

What happens when they villify batteries?

Its like that article a couple weeks back..."this is what we will mandate. Engineers, you have 5 years to create the next technological advance that our society will exist upon, just think outside the box! Ready. Go!"
 

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Gas is still too cheap. I tried years ago to commute by train (Hamilton to Oakville, in Ontario). The train schedule was fairly convenient, but gas was just to cheap to 'justify' taking the train.
Hamilton to Oakville is not that far...And the Go Train is way to slow! :):drive:
 

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I wish California would just secede from the rest of the USA. Or fall into the ocean. Either one is fine with me.
I'll second that notion.
 

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I wish California would just secede from the rest of the USA. Or fall into the ocean. Either one is fine with me.
So you wouldn't be offended if Californians wish Texas would fall into the ocean? Jeez, it's a two way street truckman.
 

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So you wouldn't be offended if Californians wish Texas would fall into the ocean? Jeez, it's a two way street truckman.
If california would purge itself of the radical lefites that pollute the state, I wouldn't care. It's the nutcases, and the sheer concentration of them in that state, that seem to push California to make some pretty insane regulations. The state seems to want to act as its own independent country, untill some disaster happens. Then they're quick to demand federal help.

I'm not being mean, I'm just stating that if the state wants to act in the way that it does, then it can be wholly independent, and deal with the consequences of it.
 

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Re: Hold onto your hat with both hands folks – the regulatory push barely has begun.

I don't think we have to worry about that.

People are going with the standards now because gas is expensive.

100mpg is a joke and the rest of the country won't care about pollution sitting in California becaused of it's geography.
Actually, it is possible with the Volt, Escape PHEV, and Prius PHEV to obtain approximately 100mpg. Essentially what is going to be happening is a switch from PHEV then to EV once the infrastructure is in place.
 

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So you wouldn't be offended if Californians wish Texas would fall into the ocean? Jeez, it's a two way street truckman.
I wouldn't be offended. We could go that way too. But I think Texas adds more to the US than California does. I'm just thinking about the rest of the states. :)
 

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Re: Hang on to Your Hats With Both Hands Folks – the Regulatory Push Barely has Begun

Reducing the number of cars on the road would be a much more effective way to cut CO2 emissions. Forcing cars to get 70+ MPG would cause them to be outrageously expensive.

There are numerous ways to decrease the number of vehicles on the road:
Better mass transit
Incentives to:
Move closer to workplaces
Carpooling
telecommuting
You forgot...
Nuke the west coast; that would get rid of a lot of problems:
fewer cars exhaling carbon dioxide
fewer people exhaling carbon dioxide
fewer skin cancer cases
fewer tabloids
fewer people making 3 times Wagner's salary for a month of work
fewer flip flopping regulations- like the one that cost GM billions on the EV1



I love how California can’t fix their own problems but feel compelled to force their flawed ideology on the rest of the country.
 
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