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Hey all,

Newcartestdrive had this to say about the 2004 Saturn VUE. Highlights are the improved and recalibrated electric power steering and a nicer interior:

Click this for something good about Saturn.

Autoweek reviewed the Red Line Saturns. The ION still got some red marks for the gauge cluster and interior materials, but the coolest part is the performance speak, including a presence of Recaro seats, a short-throw shifter, and a lack of torque-steer despite the power.

Here is another good article about Saturn things.

So hey.

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I drove the '04 6 cyl Vue today and I have to agree they tuned up the steering nicely. Beware of reviews that just recycle their take on the '03. The acceleration was pretty impressive too. I'm just about sold. I'm wondering how you tune electronic power steering. Can you get an aftermarket chip for that too?
 

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Beware of reviews that just recycle their take on the '03.
Great point. I almost didn't read either of these reviews because that's what I figured I'd get.

I'm wondering how you tune electronic power steering.
It's pretty easy actually. Where the pipe recurves back on itself, there's a U-shaped sliding section. Don't forget to empty the spit-valve, and you're set.

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Okay. For you guys who didn't get that last one, it's actually how to tune a trombone.

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As I recall, those spit valves are a pretty powerful weapon. But seriously folks, I have no idea what they mean when Satrun says the steering is "tuned". The last time I messed with steering was when I packed the steering box on a '66 microbus with grease because the fluid kept leaking out. Probably the technology has devolved a bit. I'm thinking of getting a Vue and want to know exactly what "redline" means. I think I can put a spring kit and tires on it for a lot less than the $1995 option, but I don't have a clue about what they might be doing to the steering. It gets better? (Seems like with a little work, a Vue could be pretty close to the old-before-its-time Typhoon).
 

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Ok, drive a car around without power steering. You'd like to have some assist, wouldn't you? That's the easy part. HOW MUCH steering assist do you want? What do you want the steering to feel like when you're driving? That is steering tuning.

"Sport tuned" generally means that the efforts are a little bit higher. Compare a Corvette to a big old Cadillac. Higher steering efforts are required and they provide more feel.

The Redline is getting 18" tires and wheels, and a "sport tuned" suspension that's lowered. (What's 'tuned"? See above. You want damping from the shocks...but how much??)

As for price, I think it looks pretty decent. Figure what? $250 per wheel for a wheel. And 18" Bridgestones are going for almost that much. So at $500 per corner for a fancy wheel & tire, you're at $2000 before you even touch the suspension.
 

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"Sport tuned" generally means that the efforts are a little bit higher.
Ya, but what, physically, are they doing to the steering gear? Sliding the slide?Opening the spit valve? Tweaking the Liebnitz Oscillator? By saying that the effort is higher or lower, you could have "tuned" steering by asking your passenger to help you crank on the wheel or provide some resistance.

$250 per wheel for a wheel. And 18" Bridgestones are going for almost that much. So at $500 per corner for a fancy wheel & tire, you're at $2000 before you even touch the suspension.
That assumes you just threw away the base tires and started at zero. Assuming Saturn gets to refrain from purchasing the 16 inchers, rather than buying them and pitching them in the dumpster and passing the cost along, it should cost a lot less than $2000 at my end. For example, it only costs $300 bucks to upgrade from the 16 inch base, to a 17 inch alloy rim and tire.
 
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