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Originally posted by bigj@Nov 24 2003, 04:46 PM
Most of the people I see driving Buicks are "blue hairs" and soccer moms.  ... 
Buicks attract people who are looking for big cars with a cushy ride(me included). 
200HP is fine for gettin' groceries and merging into highway traffic. 
My three LeSabres have been durable and reasonably bulletproof.
That's what I want in a car; I'm not blue-haired, etc..., like described.
I just want a good, solid car and motor.

Dependable engine that 3800. Plenty of power for the car!!!
The torque curve is well-balanced to the transmission. I've never had a situation
where I needed more power. Have trouble with wheel slip on
takeoff occassionally the way it is (98 doesn't have traction control).

Only problem was plastic intake upper design with bad seals
when the engineers/bean counters changed things.
 

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Originally posted by bigdaddycoats@Dec 6 2003, 11:03 AM
Will the 3.6 be an option?? I thought that I read this somewhere?
This would validate the use of the 3.8L as the base "value" engine.

The 3.6L again could be the "Ultra" engine.
 
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Does anybody have any comments on the front end of the LaCrosse ?

I think it looks like some Chinese guy with buck teeth, Any comments ?

I can see Buick front ends keeping the waterfall grill (which I guess will be staple Buick) but I can see going with rounder headlight assemblies. Something to make it stand out from the crowd. I think rounder headlight assemblies would give it a more relaxed, soothing, understated look; rather than the in-your-face styling of some competitors. It is possible to have performace w/o the in-your-face styling.

I just don't want the front of the LaCrosse being like the rear of the Aztec.

Any comments ?

Also Buick needs a performance car to give the brand a more hip, youthful image.
 

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Originally posted by NewMexico_Sunset_On_RT66_Yep@Dec 8 2003, 07:44 PM
Does anybody have any comments on the front end of the LaCrosse ?

I think it looks like some Chinese guy with buck teeth, Any comments ?

I can see Buick front ends keeping the waterfall grill (which I guess will be staple Buick) but I can see going with rounder headlight assemblies. Something to make it stand out from the crowd. I think rounder headlight assemblies would give it a more relaxed, soothing, understated look; rather than the in-your-face styling of some competitors. It is possible to have performace w/o the in-your-face styling.

I just don't want the front of the LaCrosse being like the rear of the Aztec.

Any comments ?

Also Buick needs a performance car to give the brand a more hip, youthful image.
Where did you see it?
 
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Tahoe - Just do an internet search on 'Buick LaCrosse' or 'LaCrosse', you're bound to find some photos of it.

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"Last report I read was that the Lacrosse name would be dropped altogether, as they don't want to have to market the exact same car differently for 2 areas."

You know, the problem with the Regal was NOT its name; it was the car. That would explain why the visionaries at GM changed the name and kept the same basic underpinnings of the car, right? The 3800 I/II/III *is* a fine engine (reliability, power for weight/displacement), and in fairness to all the talented, hard-working (ahem) folks at GM, I will reserve final judgment on the car until I see it, read about it, and possibly drive it.

However, it's so typical for GM to focus on such stupid things as changing the name of a car with brand-equity (Regal) for a new name with sexualized undertones in other countries (LaCrosse). Now, because the marketing gurus spent probably (and literally) millions on finding "just the right name" for their new midsize Buick, GM has to deal with this minor media fiasco (Canada, LaCrosse, et cetera) rather than worrying about such things as "how can we make the interior look Lexus-like?" or "how can we squeeze another 15 bhp out of the 3.6 VVT in the CTS for this new car?" In typical GM fashion, though, absolutely NO ONE will be held accountable. I'm suspicious that Ron Zarella didn't really leave GM.

Remember, GM's key to building a better car: sweat the details of the name and its marketing, and forget about the big, useless concepts like leading edge design, advanced powertrains and chassis, and luxurious interiors.

If it's truly great, it will sell well, "even with" the Regal name. The CTS sells well because it's a great car; you could have called it the Cadillac Crap-pile, and it would have sold (I'm being dramatic for effect). The same can be said for their full-sized SUV's/pickups, the mid-size utilities and, of course, the fabulous Corvette.

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Mr Sinical,
I udnerstand your concern whole-heartedly. Do not worry, the "LaCrosse" interior is top notch, similar to the Terraza, but even better and richer. Its really the exterior that I am worried about. So don't worry, Lutz was on board all the way.
 

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Here's my question: the gorgeous LaCrosse show car was totally multi-reconfigurable. As was the Opel Insignum show car - along the same lines, but a simpler, more producible (make that simply "producible") setup. And GM has been playing around with multi-functionality in a big way (Avalanche, Envoy XUV, Malibu Maxx).

So: will the LaCrosse be multi-functional? Or is it just going to be a nice sedan with a new name?
 
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Imagine a Lexus owner buying a Buick. Just imagine.
 

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The Buick LaCrosse won't be a giant success as some may think, but this car is key in the transition of the brands renaissance. From the available data and leaked pictures available, this new sedan from Buick seems to be vast improvement over its previous model. However, this is not enough to win first place in a motor magazine compraro. Consider that the base engine, while competent and venerable, has been found to lack the refinement that is required in this segment (see recent Grand Prix reviews). Also take into account that body weight will be increased, possible weighing more than the Pontiac, making the car slower. The interior looks great, but does not seem to break any ground stylistically nor does it look as tight fitting as an Audi. Fortunately, this interior probably will beat out most though, as it does look great. The top of the line model is where the real winner is...the new 3.6 is a great engine and what Buick needs to eventually be seen as the "American Lexus." Unfortuntely it is saddled to the older 4-spd transmission - which is not a bad slushbox - but a 5-spd is a must for this segment. Styling, well, I will forgive because you must realize the proportions these designers are dealing with. The W-body has a large front overhang and dimensions that were more suitable for a 80's-90s cab forward design. Granted, I do not like those headlights, and I hope that other pictures do them justice. But then again, these are the constraints of the W: lighting placement. To pull off a LaCrosse concept/Centieme front end setup would look out of place on such a vehicle. Those concepts' styling theme have a large grille with smaller lights that put focus on the grille, symbolizing power and luxury. If you look at the leaked LaCrosse pictures, imagine if those Spectra-like lights were connected and housed in a Centieme-like setup...they'd be giant and hideous, and the grille would be wimpy, not large and powerful. Plus, all this styling up front would put more emphasis on the front end...and its large overhang. Breaking up the lights decreases this. So again, take into consideration that designers are trying to turn a car with 1986-style proportions into a modern car where short overhangs, larger grills, and agressive stance rule. In conclusion of all this, don't expect the LaCrosse to be the saviour of Buick. It is somewhat competive, but not perfect; great interior - mediocre exterior, great engine - outclassed tranny. But, expect NVH to be greatly improved over the GP due to Quiet Tuning and expect steering to be improved as well(seems like Lutz fixed this). Look for Buick's renaissance ala Cadillac to come MY 2006-2009, when the RWD Sigma Mass vehicles restore this brands great heritage.

IMO, I think it was a bad idea to do away with the Century. It is a volume leader (but also a fleet favorite). An Epsilon Buick, with an extended wheelbase ala G6, would of been a great replacement for this vehicle and would've allowed the LaCrosse to do without the cheap 3.8L to cover the market that the Century left (GM will slowly phase out the Century ala Malibu Classic, however). GM planning (Zarella-era) thought this was a bad idea obviously. Just think, this Epsilon Century would've been the top Epsilon, right there with the Vectra, and this wouldve made GM $$$ by maximizing substitutes.
 

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Imagine a Lexus owner buying a Buick. Just imagine.
Ain't gonna happen with that freakin 3800. That thing is an embarrassment for a car company hoping to compete with Lexus. :plasma:
A leopard dosen't change it's spots and neither does a GM beancounting/suit. Thats why they are using the 3.8 in a new Buick. These people never had and never will have a brain. The people at Toyota and Honda must laugh their asses off at these incompitent boobs.
Amen.
AHHHHHHHH NO MORE GHEY ENGINES!! POWER POWER POWER!! 250HP 3.6!!!
LMAO! Couldn't agree more. :laughbounce:
 

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Buick should make a good looking RWD car. It should have a supercharger or a turbo, because boost is what buick does best. Buick should stop horsing around with these two new cars and kick some A$$. Buick needs a luxurious muscle car.
 

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Originally posted by Mr_Pringle+Dec 20 2003, 12:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mr_Pringle @ Dec 20 2003, 12:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Rex Raider@Dec 18 2003, 11:30 AM
The latest name floating around for US and Canadian models is the Buick Allure.
hmm- Reminds me of "Allante"[/b][/quote]
Ditto! :lol:
 
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