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GM receives tax incentives to support potential $3.5 billion Indiana battery plant

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An Indiana county council on Tuesday evening approved tax incentives for a $3.5 billion battery plant investment by General Motors Co. and battery partner Samsung SDI.
The St. Joseph County Council unanimously approved a development agreement and tax abatements for the project that would be the largest seen in the area if the companies decide to select the northern Indiana site for GM's fourth battery cell plant.

In September, GM received approval for tax incentives with its other battery partner, LG Energy Solution, for a New Carlisle, Indiana, plant, but GM and LG halted their plans in January. Ultium Cells LLC, the joint venture between GM and LG, already operates a battery plant in Warren, Ohio, and is constructing two additional factories in Michigan's Delta Township and Spring Hill, Tennessee.

In a statement following council's approval, GM spokesperson Liz Winter said: " We appreciate the local support as the joint venture works to make a location decision."
The council's approval amends project-related documents to make General Motors LLC the owner of the proposed battery plant instead of Ultium Cells.

"Once we make the decision to make the investment, once we make a decision if we're going to invest here in St. Joseph County, we hope to start construction yet this year with a very aggressive timeline," GM Director of Local Government Relations John Blanchard told council.
When asked if GM expects the plant to last 25 years, Blanchard said he hopes "with the amount of investment and commitment that we've made" that this plant and other battery plants last longer than 25 years.
"We need battery capacity to be able to supply all of our electric vehicles," Blanchard said, adding the automaker is looking for battery plant sites five and six already.
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Shouldn't the article say, GM takes tax money to support its customerless business division.
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The same people of ‘position’ that love to whine about ‘big companies not paying taxes’ are commonly the same people approving billions in big company tax breaks.
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Shouldn't the article say, GM takes tax money to support its customerless business division.
To build "Promises" not "Batteries".

It is all about suckling at the Tax Payer's Teet
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Shouldn't the article say, GM takes tax money to support its customerless business division.
To build "Promises" not "Batteries".

It is all about suckling at the Tax Payer's Teet
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Net benefit to GM's customerless business division (very apt phrase, Archon): $333 million
Net benefit to St. Joseph County, Indiana taxpayers: zero, zero, zero
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Net benefit to GM's customerless business division (very apt phrase, Archon): $333 million
Net benefit to St. Joseph County, Indiana taxpayers: zero, zero, zero
All the workers coming to St Joseph won't pay any taxes.

The money they spend in St Joseph won't create additional jobs. Those ghost jobs won't pay any taxes.

Reno, Nevada with Tesla gigafactory has imploded real estate prices and rust-belt unemployment. Reno is about to declare bankruptcy and dissolve itself. State of Nevada severely regrets luring Tesla Gigafactory.

Same bittchez that turn a blind eye to ~$700B per year in tax benefits to Big Oil like to complain about the small potatoes going to EV industry.

Industrial socialism for Big Oil and Anglo-Capitalism for EV industry.
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I ask why not the Anderson/Muncie area?

History of GM jobs and access to a newly expanded I-69 and rail access.
I ask why not the Anderson/Muncie area?

History of GM jobs and access to a newly expanded I-69 and rail access.
Maybe because the good people of East Central Indiana, particularly Anderson, realize that despite (or more accurately, because of) all the handouts that their local governments gave GM over the past seven decades, the company shuttered numerous facilities in the region, resulting in few direct GM employees remaining today. That's a "history" they would rather not revisit in the future.

And maybe they also recognize that GM's "customerless business division" is likely to transform those government handouts into something like this even faster than GM managed to do in the past:

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The Delco-Remy plant in Anderson opened in 1906 & was sold in 1994. That's 89 years of employment. The Delco-Remy plant in Muncie opened in 1908 & was sold in 1994 : 87 years. The Guide plant in Anderson opened in 1929 & closed in 1998 : 69 years. Indianapolis Metal Center in Indianapolis opened in 1930, closed in 2011 : 81 years. Muncie Transmission opened in 1902, closed in 2006 : 104 years of employment.

A cumulative 430 years of gainful employment, and that's just the major factories I quickly found. Were 'guarantees' of 'forever employment' ever promised? I'm going to guess; 'no'. And what was the vehicle makeup of the employee parking lots there in 1965 vs. 1995, I can't help but wonder.

You'd be tremendously hard-pressed to find a similar level of corporate investment lasting SO long in a given state. But never do I see any appreciation for that, only the hand-wringing that it doesn't continue forever into the future.
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Large parcels of land are for sale south of I-69 off Indiana-9. Direct rail access and yes Interstate access.

4-5 hours to Michigan Assembly plants plus a history of GM support.

Anderson still has a active UAW local.

You'd be tremendously hard-pressed to find a similar level of corporate investment lasting SO long in a given state.
In Indiana, Eli Lilly's presence and corporate investment (which goes back to 1876) exceeds that of General Motors.
That’s verified? Number of employees + capital expenditures x number of facilities?

Regardless, GM’s investment over the past century has been immeasurably immense. I’d just like to see a smidge of acknowledgment of it all, just once.
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I know a lot of people don't like these tax incentives, but most of the time these deals make good financial sense. These are essentially bets on the company to help your economy grow. Usually it ends up being a net gain by the local government and economy from all of the additional tax revenue - more suppliers, more people, more homes, more businesses to support those people, etc. And I'd rather have a business locally than going to China or some other third world country.
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That’s verified? Number of employees + capital expenditures x number of facilities?
Yup, though the "verification" was from Eli Lilly and Company itself. I don't consider Lilly a trustworthy organization; it is infamous for paying the largest criminal fine for an individual corporation ever imposed in a United States criminal prosecution of any kind at the time of the Zyprexa settlement of 2009.

Anyway, Lilly and Indiana are tightly linked. The company has been headquartered in Indianapolis since its founding, it's the largest Indiana based manufacturing company, and the largest number of employees, capex, and number of facilities within Lilly has been and continues to be in Indiana.
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Sadly, GM has left its luxury car buyers by the curbside, while other car companies are claiming its customer base. GM has made the very best cars and gas engines. There is one of those EV things at the Cadillac dealer collecting dust.
Toyota is using GMs idea for hydrogen combustion. Gm just does nothing. Thinks it can live in Tahoes and pick-ups.

Sadly, GM at a time when people want to buy traditional cars, GM is just sitting back and letting other car companies take their customers. Chevrolet has no Impala, Buick has no Lacrosse, Cadillac has no XTS or luxury sedan to speak of, no convertible.

Really makes you wonder why we have to talk about this, when we should be discussing their great cars.

Been very quiet for a few years because was just speechless and hurt that GM top brass would simply abandoned all of us for a government hand out.
Elon will soon bail out of Tesla. He surely knows lithium is a loser, there's not enough of it, not to mention, it's impractical. Ford evidently knows it too, they are all feeding from the government hog trough, with rudderless future. How long do they think it will last?
There is no magic breakthrough that beats hydocarbon fuels, gasoline is liquid gold, its the very best of the best. They've been leading people on to keep the government printing machine going. If there were the free market would already be producing it.

The sec9nd best thing is probably hydrogen combustion and Toyota is already on it.

We gave a serious problem with a government that has too much power to control the and to ruin the economy.
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