[paddyk]

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080824/COL14/808240413&imw=Y

GM listed the vehicles from most recent to oldest rather than in order of significance.

GM’s top 10:
• 1996 EV 1
• 1964 Pontiac GTO
• 1955 Chevrolet Bel Air
• 1953 Chevrolet Corvette
• 1950 Saab 92
• 1936 Opel Olympia
• 1930 Cadillac V16
• 1927 LaSalle
• 1912 Cadillac
• 1910 Cadillac Model 30

 

[minnfang]

I would add the 1966 Olds Toronado.

 

[2002 Caddy]

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080824/COL14/808240413&imw=Y

GM listed the vehicles from most recent to oldest rather than in order of significance.

GM’s top 10:
• 1996 EV 1
• 1964 Pontiac GTO
• 1955 Chevrolet Bel Air
• 1953 Chevrolet Corvette
• 1950 Saab 92
• 1936 Opel Olympia
• 1930 Cadillac V16
• 1927 LaSalle
• 1912 Cadillac
• 1910 Cadillac Model 30

This can't be a GM list...
Even the big wigs at GM aren't THAT stupid...

The 1950 Saab 92 is not, was not, a GM car... GM didn't start buying Saab until 1989 and finished buying the company in 2000.

If you include that car, why not then, the 1901 Curved Dash Oldsmobile which was the first high-volume mass-produced automobile in the world.

The 1949 Oldsmobile Rocket 88, GM's first muscle car, is a more significant car then about 1/3 of the cars on that list...

 

[Butz]

I would add the 1966 Olds Toronado.

second that :yup:

 

[1957wildcat]

What a thoughtless list. Where's the 1963 Buick Riviera? The 1953 Buick Skylark? Any Buick?

 

[HoosierRon]

Not a single truck?

No Grand National??

Nothing from the 1970s???

No convertible????

What kind of wienerhead created this mess?

 

[2002 Caddy]

What a thoughtless list. Where's the 1963 Buick Riviera? The 1953 Buick Skylark? Any Buick?

Or the 1987 Grand National... The GNx is the only car that I know that in even in "Fair" condition has NEVER deprecated below its 1987 MSRP.

The list is clear...

GM wants us to
1) Forget about Oldsmobile
2) Forget about Buick
3) Forget about the 70's 80's and most of the 90's
4) Ignore the mistake that was Saturn
5) Ignore sad fact that nothing significant has happened at GM since they killed the EV1

3.5 Caddy's? Really GM come on now... (And I love Caddies) Even I wouldn't put 3.5 on a list of top 10, if I did the 1993 Northstar powered Allante would be number 3. Not the first car with a roof.

A car with a roof is more important then the automatic transmission? the first car with an air bag? The first mass produced FWD car? The first V8 that a working man could afford?

Boy the boys in the RenCen are out of touch.

GM has SO much to be PROUD OF... And we get the first car with a roof...

 

[Bravada]

The list is pathetic... The last time GM made something actually remarkable is, by their own admission, a short production run electric car they actually killed and destroyed most of!

The Saab thing is laughable. Oldsmobile Toronado is certainly noteworthy, but I don't know what for would one note the abomination Buick Grand-whatevers, but the Buick Roadmaster (1950s model) certainly deserves a mention. The Saturn S-series too, as it WAS an important car, for Europe I would add the FWD Opel Ascona.

 

[paul8488]

They didn't say it's a list of the most significant. They didn't say it's a list of the most popular. They didn't say it's a list of the most remarkable. They didn't say it's a list that will result in the less b!tching from GMi members. They said it's a list of their most favourite models.

Come on people! Every single GM fan would create their own list! BigAl would include every Camaro every made. Buick61 would likely add a '61 Buick. Citation84 would likely add an '84 Citation. My list would have a Fiero. Not necessarily cars that any of you would consider, but that's not the point.

I know it's so much fun to find something to b!tch about in every single GM story these days, but why not relax a little and consider the interesting cars on the list? Thanks for dragging something as potentially cool as a list of GM's own favourite GM cars down into yet another negative GM story Sheesh!

Oh, and do you all really think that GM 'forgot' that Saab wasn't a part of GM back in the 50's?!? Their point is that the spirit of Saab has made a valued addition to GM, and it's cars like the 1950 Saab 92 that best respresent Saab. I'm glad they added it, if only to see how much it hurts so many feelings here.

 

[paul8488]

Here, you should all enjoy this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGVL-b_6vFE

 

[2002 Caddy]

They said it's a list of their most favourite models.

Not really, read it again. The REPORTER gave the tag line of GM "faves"

The list, created by GM senior brass was called and I'm quoting from the press release

"General Motors' list of the top 10 production cars in its history"

Maybe you read into that "Bob and Rick's Favs"

But as you read the press release it quickly becomes clear this is what they think are the most significant.

Either way the list demonstrates the GM brass has no clue... They don't get it... If those are their fav's why the 53 Vette (which almost killed the car) over the 55 Vette, Why the 55 Chevy over the more popular 57? Why nothing from the 80's No Camaro? The one car is a "fav" because it had an electric starter... Ohh ah BFD

That list has more to do with internal corporate politics then "fav's" or anything of significance.

 

[big swede]

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080824/COL14/808240413&imw=Y

GM listed the vehicles from most recent to oldest rather than in order of significance.

GM’s top 10:
• 1996 EV 1
• 1964 Pontiac GTO
• 1955 Chevrolet Bel Air
• 1953 Chevrolet Corvette
• 1950 Saab 92
• 1936 Opel Olympia
• 1930 Cadillac V16
• 1927 LaSalle
• 1912 Cadillac
• 1910 Cadillac Model 30

Pretty sad when GM lists it's top 10 cars and it's been over 40 years since they produced one with an internal combustion engine. Is it sad or more evidence that this crew will never get it?

 

[paul8488]

Bah, I still think that we're all more than too happy to find fault in every single GM article we read, even something that really has as little significance as this list of 'top 10' GM production cars. Bravada mentiones the Ascona... do we all agree on that? Everyone is ready to put the Ascona on in place of the Grand National? Come on! No two people are going to agree, so forget having a consensus on a GM fan website. I think that it's cool that they mentioned a bunch of cars that I have never even heard of or have long-since forgotten. There are enough doom and gloom GM articels out there... why turn this into one?

 

[King Riffle]

Pretty sad when GM lists it's top 10 cars and it's been over 40 years since they produced one with an internal combustion engine. Is it sad or more evidence that this crew will never get it?

I know. So according to GM they've not made any great cars (with one low-volume exception) for over 4 decades.

 

[paul8488]

If the list was of all modern cars we'd be crying that there were no old cars on there.

GM put this list together to show that we can't be happy about anything GM related. They had to pick 10. They picked those 10. You're all going to have to find a way to sleep at night. I'd say accepting that it's one list that has no actual bearing on how we live our day to day lives or even affects GM in any way today will help.

Pick the top ten songs ever. Or the top ten American cities. Or top ten actors. Or top ten movies. Or top ten Jelly Belly flavours. No two people are going to agree. That's just the way it is. We can't we discuss how cool some of the cars on the list are? I have no idea what the Lasalle or Saab look like. I've never heard of an Olympia or Model 30. Any chance anyone wants to enlighten those of us that aren't personally offended by this list?

 

[1931Chevy]

Hell they need to add the 1929 Chevy Sedans and the old stovebolt engine and the 1931 model wich was the same year GM became #1

 

[1931Chevy]

well Cadillacs top 10 according to GM are:

1903 Cadillac Runabout
1912 model 30
1931 Fleetwood Sport Phaeton
1941 Series 60 special
1955 Eldorado
1959 Eldorado Biarritz
1967 Fleetwood Eldorado
1976 Fleetwood Eldorado Convertible
1985 Seville
2008 XLR-V

 

[Butz]

well Cadillacs top 10 according to GM are:

1903 Cadillac Runabout
1912 model 30
1931 Fleetwood Sport Phaeton
1941 Series 60 special
1955 Eldorado
1959 Eldorado Biarritz
1967 Fleetwood Eldorado
1976 Fleetwood Eldorado Convertible
1985 Seville
2008 XLR-V

what about the 2003 CTS? the car that spearheaded Cadillac's revolution

 

[mikmak]

Paul8488 is right. It's personal opinion and may be based around which cars got them the most *****, for all we know.
In which case my top ten is
Toyota corolla (not mine),
EH Holden Special (not mine),
HQ Holden Kingswood (hooray, it's mine),
VN Commodore (got me to the door )
VP Commodore Wagon....

Okay, so it's a top 5.

 

[2002 Caddy]

what about the 2003 CTS? the car that spearheaded Cadillac's revolution

Or the 87 Allante or the 92/93 Sevilles the cars that spearheaded Cadillac's revolution (the first time)

The 76 Eldo convertible... GM puts a car on a list that generated lawsuits... nice choice.

If the list was of all modern cars we'd be crying that there were no old cars on there.

GM put this list together to show that we can't be happy about anything GM related. They had to pick 10. They picked those 10. You're all going to have to find a way to sleep at night. I'd say accepting that it's one list that has no actual bearing on how we live our day to day lives or even affects GM in any way today will help.

Any chance anyone wants to enlighten those of us that aren't personally offended by this list?

The point that you are missing is that GM has SO many cars to be proud off... The original "top 10" list demonstrates that GM Management has no CLUE what is important to Car buyers or Car Enthusiasts. GM has SO many firsts... SO many IMPORTANT firsts and we get "first car with a starter?" "first car with a roof?" Sure almost all cars have roofs now and all cars have a starter... BUT

GM was first with Airbags, first with the Auto Transmission, first with a high compression OHV V8, first with a mass produced FWD car, first with an assembly line built car (contrary to what they teach us in grade school), first with a HUD, OK the problem with the list I just gave is that those cars were all Oldsmobiles... Can't mention the "O" word in mixed company.. But why nothing to be proud of since the 64 GTO? roughly 1/3 of our history REALLY? WTF!

This is supposed to be their 100 year list and the only thing since 1964 was a car they 1) didn't sell (it was only leased) and 2) they collected and crushed.

How about a list of 10 "significant" GM cars SINCE 1964

1966 Toronado (First mass produced FWD car)
1969 Camaro (defines the breed... and good enough to copy 40 years later)
1973 Toronado (first air bag)
(ok the rest of the 70's are kinda "light")
1987 Grand National (Defines the breed, and a generation... the last of the 2 door sedan muscle cars... faster then a Vette... and a Buick too! nuff said)
1992 Seville (OWNED the large AMERICAN luxury car market for 13 years... then Lutz F'ed it up)
1993 Allante (the Car GM wants us to forget, the first car with the, at the time, famed Northstar, and the ONLY time that Cadillac tried to "beat" the famed "SL"... And according to Car and Driver it did... if only for 14 months, then the bean counters killed it)
1994 Saab 900... (GM brass wants a Saab on the list... here is the first Saab that you could argue really is a GM... at least 50% of it)
2001 Holden Monaro (OK GM N/A had forgotten how to build a RWD car, The Aussies, cranked out this little gem in 22 months for 1/10 of the cost of the Cruze... And it gave rebirth to the GTO, which GM Marketing did their best to keep a secret)
2008 Malibu (Wow! We can build a great car if we try, now if we could just sell it at a profit )
2008 CTS... (they made "great" even better)


Hey would ya look at that my "modern" list has three Caddy's too...