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Mascoma, a Boston-based company, has been developing a process using bacteria and yeast to break down plant matter into ethanol in a single step, a system the company thinks could produce cheap fuels by 2010. Mascoma plans to have a small test plant in New York running by the end of the year, and has plans for another test plant in Michigan that would use wood chips to make ethanol.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080501/BUSINESS01/80501052
 

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Wasn't their (Exxon) former CEO the guy who made one half BILLION dollars take home last year? Poor guy I am thinking of looks like Jabba the Hut with a turkey wattle neck, surely could afford to get some "work" done.
 

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This shows GM's commitment to alternative fuels, I hope it turns out to profitable, GM needs the money.
 

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Thats great news..

GM is putting some muscle behind its desire to create affordable fuel so consumers can buy ethanol E85 BIG SUV"S! that GM produces...
 

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how do you figure. if GM is investing in Ethanol all over the place, they are probably planning on creating strictly E85 or even E100 only versions of their automobiles, what was it that they had a 6.2 or 6.3L V8 optimized for E85 that actually got 10% better power and 8% better fule economy?

Dosent sound like much, but 8% of 35 goes to 37.8 on just engine, add 2 mode to that, another 10-12% thats 41.5MPG wile using fule that dosent line the pockets of american enemys.... Cobalt ET-H (Ethanol Hybrid) could be a boom for the comuter cars.. I still think Diesel would be the best for the larger trucks though. Offer them in all RWD vehichles that curb weight over 4500lbs with 6 speed auto...

But what do I know...
 

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how do you figure. if GM is investing in Ethanol all over the place, they are probably planning on creating strictly E85 or even E100 only versions of their automobiles, what was it that they had a 6.2 or 6.3L V8 optimized for E85 that actually got 10% better power and 8% better fule economy?

Dosent sound like much, but 8% of 35 goes to 37.8 on just engine, add 2 mode to that, another 10-12% thats 41.5MPG wile using fule that dosent line the pockets of american enemys.... Cobalt ET-H (Ethanol Hybrid) could be a boom for the comuter cars.. I still think Diesel would be the best for the larger trucks though. Offer them in all RWD vehichles that curb weight over 4500lbs with 6 speed auto...

But what do I know...
Why does everything have to be about our enamies???
 

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Ethanol is a waste of time, money, and resources. Hydrogen is the way to go. We can make it easily now, and if companies like GM invested money into building nuclear power plants, wind farms, solar arrays, etc. devoted to producing hydrogen from water we would be completely self sufficient, and have virtually unlimited fuel. Any excess energy could be put into the grid to sustain any electric cars that will be made.
 

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Ethenol isn't a waste. It's a way to temporarily run our cars if gas blips to $10.00/gallon or if we get boycotted by OPEC. People (and the government) with E85 vehicles can still get to work if that happens.
Hydrogen can't be made "easily" now for use in automobiles. It's definately in our future, but it's not cheap at this time. Like E85, it will become more affordable as time goes by. I'll be an old man by the time hydrogen fuel cell ars are on the market and even then they probably won't be affordable.

Ethenol also uses pretty much the same system as gasoline runs in the same engines, making it the number 1 immediate alternative right now.

Why not install E85 and bio-diesel stations at Chevy dealerships? Albertsons and Kroger install E85 stations in their outparcels. It's another income stream for the dealership.

Right now Ethenol cost more to make than gasoline, but with a combined higher cost of gasoline and constant improvement in mass producing ethenol from sugar cane and corn it's likely that it will become the more effective fuel. It's also cleaner running that gasoline engines.

I think that E85 (or E100) plug in hybrids are in the near future (2-10 years away), and they will have a huge impact. If gas is still unaffordable at that time, then fuel cell development will continue until a hybrid electric/fuel cell car is on the market. Development of that type of car will stop, however, if gas prices remain stable after the plug in hybrids are introduced. Gasoline and diesel powered cars will probably never go away completely (in my lifetime).

I like the idea of hydogen fuel cells, but the people demanding that they be used need to understand that that is 3 steps ahead of where we are now, and if gas prices go down or remain stable then there will not be much of a need for developing a fuel cell car to mass produce for this market.

I think the best thing right now for America to invest in would be hydroelectric and nuclear power along the eastern half of the US.

Solar power is a great way to supplement your electricity by installing panels on your roof. It may keep your Chevy Volt charging with minimum impact on your electric bill....and when you don't use much electricity, then you can sell it back to the system.
Maybe GM can design a "complete Volt package" that includes solar panels and a charging station to be installed at people's homes.

In the old days, you fed your horse at your stable....

Need this now .....since Exxon reports highest profits ever and on track already to beat last year.
They should have invested in Exxon.
 

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a system the company thinks could produce cheap fuels by 2010.
A la Volt. The E85 Volt will be GM's biggest jewel and it looks as if they're making damn sure they're ready for it.
I do think the comments about GM selling E85 at their dealerships is a great idea. Then they can make money buy, not only selling the fuel, but bring in traffic to the dealerships.
 

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Why does everything have to be about our enamies???
why not? who would you rather give money too, the people that live in your country that are just trying to get by or the people that live in another country that harbors terrorists and fearmongers, who would like nothing more than your country to collapse? seems like a simple issue, but of my whole post why did your single that one small line down?
 

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Need this now .....since Exxon reports highest profits ever and on track already to beat last year.
Exxon did just recently sell off all of their gas stations in Brazil to a company that produces Ethanol.

The deal was for millions, and the company in Brazil now has a huge network of stations to sell its product...pretty amazing story in Wall Street Journal a few days back :D
 
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