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GM, Carmakers Ask Judge to Block California's Carbon Rules

June 7 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp. and 21 carmakers claim California is trying to enforce carbon-reduction rules not yet approved by the Environmental Protection Agency and asked a judge for an order blocking the regulations.

GM and two industry groups representing U.S., Asian and European companies said in court filings yesterday in federal court in Fresno, California, that the state is attempting to enforce carbon-exhaust rules that are barred by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

Without an injunction, carmakers will have to spend billions of dollars by the end of this year, according to the filing. The companies are seeking a court order that would prevent California from requiring companies to take any steps toward compliance before 2017.

``Compliance with the greenhouse gas standards could require the investment of billions of dollars before the end of the calendar year 2009,'' the carmakers said in the filings.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aUCofo5S0BJg
 

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This is the way I see it - the more carbon you release, the faster it gets back into the environment and recycled. I thought California was all about recycling and being Green?
 

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Please, California, do us all a favor and secede.

Better yet, just join Mexico. I am sure it would love your ideas regarding civil rights, global warming and diversity.
 

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Please, California, do us all a favor and secede.
Do you have any idea how dumb that sounds?
Yes... Let California secede.

We'll take nearly one-third of the US economy with us... plus ALL the biotechnology and ALL the technology along with us. Plus about one-third the crops and about one-third of the tourism dollars. Not to mention 100% of all the movies and television shows.

Get a grip....The US is dead in the water without California.
 

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I hate playing devil's advocate, but the carmakers should be working at achieving the newest numbers not crying about them. Trends are going "greener" and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
 

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I couldn't care less which state is trying to do this. Regulations such as those California wants to pass should clearly be considered issues relating to interstate commerce, hence issues the Federal government has jurisdiction over. Even if you believe the feds aren't doing enough that doesn't give any state the right to just make up new rules that would in essence dictate the rules for every other state - thats pretty much what the interstate commerce provisions in the Constitution are designed for.
 

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I couldn't care less which state is trying to do this. Regulations such as those California wants to pass should clearly be considered issues relating to interstate commerce, hence issues the Federal government has jurisdiction over. Even if you believe the feds aren't doing enough that doesn't give any state the right to just make up new rules that would in essence dictate the rules for every other state - thats pretty much what the interstate commerce provisions in the Constitution are designed for.
Interstate commerce has been the traditional argument.

Put this all into perspective, regarding CA's environmental initiatives.

CA has the largest population in the state -- 13M more than Texas. It is home to some of the largest industries and plants in the country. Yet through all that, it is only #3 in terms of power consumption in the country.

We also have the most influential economy in the US and is in fact one of the largest economies in the world.

California's projected growth is 50M by 2030. CA needs the ability to regulate the pollution and emissions generated in the state simply because we have different needs and requirements than states that have a total population LESS that CA cities!!!
 

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Re: TOYOTA Asks Judge to Block California's Carbon Rules

Once again, Bloomberg in action.

Name GM, AND SKIP THE REST.

Why ????

Because the most news worthy aspect of this story is that:

TOYOTA ASKS JUDGE TO BLOCK CALIFORNIA'S CARBON RULE.

Just watch how the media and the 'green' people do not report that.

No, instead, we'll get an onslaught of poorly written, inaccurate, erroneous articles and advertorials about the Prius.
 

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Oh here we go....
Well, we all wouldn't hate California so much if they didn't pull crap like this all the time. They have earned all the negative feelings.

I don't dispute any of the good things that come from California, but the stupidity of their anti-corporate policies they have or try to put in place can't be disputed either.
 

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Interstate commerce has been the traditional argument.

Put this all into perspective, regarding CA's environmental initiatives.

CA has the largest population in the state -- 13M more than Texas. It is home to some of the largest industries and plants in the country. Yet through all that, it is only #3 in terms of power consumption in the country.

We also have the most influential economy in the US and is in fact one of the largest economies in the world.

California's projected growth is 50M by 2030. CA needs the ability to regulate the pollution and emissions generated in the state simply because we have different needs and requirements than states that have a total population LESS that CA cities!!!
California is a state like any other. To account for California's large population they have a proportionate amout of house delegates. CO2 is a global pollutant, not a local pollutant like smog or NOx. It's effects are not felt locally, only as an percentage of global CO2 emission. As such it is regulated by the federal governent, with the input of California's representatives.

California seems to think they are their own nation. It is a dangerous thought once exhibited before by a much larger group of states.
 

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Do you have any idea how dumb that sounds?
Yes... Let California secede.

We'll take nearly one-third of the US economy with us... plus ALL the biotechnology and ALL the technology along with us. Plus about one-third the crops and about one-third of the tourism dollars. Not to mention 100% of all the movies and television shows.

Get a grip....The US is dead in the water without California.
Washington and Oregon will come with also. We can call the new country Pacifica, or Cascadia. It will be a shining example of what a truly free country looks like, where people choose reason over superstition, quality of life over greed, social justice and peace over a mind-numbing nationalism which cons gullible young men into becoming IED sponges, and marriage equality over a Taliban-light style theocracy. Plus a native auto industry that will be well positioned when the rest of the continent gets on board.
 

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Washington and Oregon will come with also. We can call the new country Pacifica, or Cascadia. It will be a shining example of what a truly free country looks like, where people choose reason over superstition, quality of life over greed, social justice and peace over a mind-numbing nationalism which cons gullible young men into becoming IED sponges, and marriage equality over a Taliban-light style theocracy. Plus a native auto industry that will be well positioned when the rest of the continent gets on board.
When was the last time someone built a large non automated manufacturing complex (like an auto plant) in california?
 

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When was the last time someone built a large non automated manufacturing complex (like an auto plant) in california?
You mean like California's semiconductor plants? Or California's computer manufacturing facilities? Solar panel plants?
They're not all in China, ya know.
 

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Washington and Oregon will come with also. We can call the new country Pacifica, or Cascadia. It will be a shining example of what a truly free country looks like, where people choose reason over superstition, quality of life over greed, social justice and peace over a mind-numbing nationalism which cons gullible young men into becoming IED sponges, and marriage equality over a Taliban-light style theocracy. Plus a native auto industry that will be well positioned when the rest of the continent gets on board.
Yes, indeed. That would be perfect. You see, mgescuro, you need this kind of vision.
 
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