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I wouldn't say it's a uniquely American thing to do, as it is done (consciously or subconsciously) around the world.
Americans do make a big deal about it because of our own inherent cultural beliefs that "everyone is created equal."
It's nice to say, and it feels good when saying it.

But in practice, it doesn't always work that way. And I actually think there's a cultural shift going on in this country, where many parts are finally seeing these problems come to light. And we're finally recognizing it.
Totally understand that, but I grew up where we really d not care that much. Strangely, we have moved on, some of us..
 

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Totally understand that, but I grew up where we really d not care that much. Strangely, we have moved on, some of us..
I was taught that it’s not “supposed” to matter. ANd for a long time I didn’t think it mattered.
I have a very diverse set of friends. I pride myself on having friends all around the world.
But the reality is, it does matter.

I’ve been around long enough to know and see that not everyone is always treated fairly or equally.
It rightfully should be an issue.
But as with all things, there is a very fine line.
 

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I was taught that it’s not “supposed” to matter. ANd for a long time I didn’t think it mattered.
I have a very diverse set of friends. I pride myself on having friends all around the world.
But the reality is, it does matter.

I’ve been around long enough to know and see that not everyone is always treated fairly or equally.
It rightfully should be an issue.
But as with all things, there is a very fine line.
I have had friends of all ilks. For the longest time I was color blind. That is how it should be. We are a meritocracy. The way some of the racial activists are right now............ they want segregation. They want quota's. By disparaging everyone of the pale skin variety, and painting them all with the same brush, they are creating more racism that they would ever get rid of. This is a fair and kind country. The vast majority of the people try to treat everyone the same, based on their character. Yes, there are some who are not that way, and we always strive to improve. This is why so many people from around the world want to come here. What is happening right now is nuts, and it is counter productive, and I don't know if the activists really care at all.
 

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I would agree with this, except there is one thing missing. The companies that get shunned will continue to advertise and accuse. Reality and truth have no place in Cancel Culture. If they continue to yell loud enough, and threaten enough, they will get their way. This is why Cancel Culture still exists................. because those who are aimed at by it are too scared to stand their ground. This is what the "cancelors" are banking on because it has been working great up to now. Why stop??

Rotten Rottie Rescue here in AZ, which is one of the BEST Rottweiler rescues in the country had it happen to them. A couple of people didn't like what they did with a purebred puppy that they got surrendered to them. Facts be damned. So, they worked on cancelling them. Posting a huge string of lies on a large dog lovers page with selective quotes taken out of context. No one in the dog lovers page checked for the facts.................. they just set about destroying this rescue. Hundreds of fake negative reviews on Yelp and Google. Posting horrible things about the owner of the rescue, Shelly. She was destroyed.................. but we fought back. A large group of us attacked the attackers. We posted hundreds of positive reviews, and had other people who had adopted dogs from them do the same. We reported everybody and everything. It took weeks and many hundreds of hours, but we.................... and RRR came out on top.

It is possible to win this horrible game. It does take a HUGE amount of intestinal fortitude and effort..................... which is why everyone just caves, which just makes this garbage perpetuated by losers, more prevalent.

GM needs to take out their own ads. They need to have minority owned advertising companies that they work with take out ads. This needs to be an all out war, or MOB wins.
Yes... Sadly right about cancel culture and the easy way out for companies is to just buckle under. I think a big piece of this cancel culture is the internet - it makes everyone's voice too easy to hear and too easy to attack companies and people. Cancel culture seems to have risen with the internet, it's the perfect tool for those fringe groups or nut jobs. They are all consumed by their agenda and happy to devote their time to destroying something, but the majority of us don't want to take the time to fight it. The 90% of normal people in our country need to band together and take it back from the 10% - I want MR. Potato Head to live! We need a voice, a leader, to mobilize us.
 

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I wouldn't say it's a uniquely American thing to do, as it is done (consciously or subconsciously) around the world.
Americans do make a big deal about it because of our own inherent cultural beliefs that "everyone is created equal."
It's nice to say, and it feels good when saying it.

But in practice, it doesn't always work that way. And I actually think there's a cultural shift going on in this country, where many parts are finally seeing these problems come to light. And we're finally recognizing it.
I've lived, worked, traveled all around the world for most of my life so I look at it a little differently. I've found that everybody and culture hates somebody else for some reason or another. It's human nature. And it's not only race, it's class, lifestyle, beliefs, religion, sexual preferences, etc. Focusing on race is only part of the problem. The solution is to accept people for what they are and accept that nobody is perfect. Everybody is different and everybody has issues with somebody. Accept that, and then stop pushing your beliefs onto others and everything would get better. Accept people for being racist, accept people for being rich, or muslim, or ghetto, or gay, or jewish and get over it. You're never going to change anybody. You're just going to make them mad and cause a ton of bickering, just like we're seeing right now all over the country. Almost everybody is guilty of the same thing they're accusing others of doing. It's stupid.
 

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minorities that rob others without punishment? yeah okay....check the for profit prisons and see who is incarcerated...its definitely not the one percenters, the rich who break the law daily, who get away with murder and get a slap on the hand. The rich white kid who raped a young girl and the judge gave him leniency because he didn't want to ruin this rich white kids future by sending him to jail.
 

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minorities that rob others without punishment?
I was talking about situation in my country if you didn't notice...yes we have minorities (gypsies) that robs people without getting punished. There were cases where in some villages cops even didn't want to go because of them. It is not all over the country (we are small country) but one region have problems with them.

But also didn't you guys have some riots not so long ago in U.S.A? Did they catch people that burned and destroyed other people establishments and business? There were some robbing also was there not? Or did they avoid punishment? I assume they did catch most of them right? Or was it like just let them burn and steal? I really hope it was not something like that.

We also have such rich people like you do (boy hit two young girls on street crossing with a car; it was red light for him; killed them both, was driving without licence and didn't spend a day in prison). Parents were very rich.
But i don't think he ever return back in country. Parents send him away in Switzerland for education.
 

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I have had friends of all ilks. For the longest time I was color blind. That is how it should be. We are a meritocracy. The way some of the racial activists are right now............ they want segregation. They want quota's. By disparaging everyone of the pale skin variety, and painting them all with the same brush, they are creating more racism that they would ever get rid of. This is a fair and kind country. The vast majority of the people try to treat everyone the same, based on their character. Yes, there are some who are not that way, and we always strive to improve. This is why so many people from around the world want to come here. What is happening right now is nuts, and it is counter productive, and I don't know if the activists really care at all.
Half of my family is pale skinned, they are clearly discriminated upon.
 

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Half of my family is pale skinned, they are clearly discriminated upon.
There is a blindness to facts that people with agenda's seem to suffer from in large numbers. Poor minority neighborhoods have high crime................. yes, that is true. However, poor white neighborhoods have high crime also. So, is one more privileged than the other?? NO. This is where the divide lies. ALL rich people have an easier time getting out of things. This is primarily due to the fact that they have influence and can hire THE best attorneys that money can buy. Note that there was nothing said about skin color, because there are rich folks of all hues.

In a meritocracy, there will never be such a thing as "fair." This is mainly due to the fact that "fair" means very different things to different people. What is fair to you is not fair to me............... and so on. At the end of the day, what some are pushing for as "fair," is tyranny. Taking from those that do to those that don't. Whether it be jobs, college admissions, or money. Hating the rich person is the method of trying to convince folks. The truth that is left out is, anyone who puts forth the effort, and never gives up, and has the great ideas, can be rich. A large amount of the wealthy, and some of THE MOST wealthy became that way on their own. So, should they be punished for taking all the risk, having the great ideas and seeing them through?? Many of the "punish" folks think yes.

BTW, I come from nothing and am not rich. I come from an alcoholic household full of abuse. So, I have never been anywhere close to rich................ and have been much closer to homeless many times. That was my privilege.
 

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There is a blindness to facts that people with agenda's seem to suffer from in large numbers. Poor minority neighborhoods have high crime................. yes, that is true. However, poor white neighborhoods have high crime also. So, is one more privileged than the other?? NO. This is where the divide lies. ALL rich people have an easier time getting out of things. This is primarily due to the fact that they have influence and can hire THE best attorneys that money can buy. Note that there was nothing said about skin color, because there are rich folks of all hues.

In a meritocracy, there will never be such a thing as "fair." This is mainly due to the fact that "fair" means very different things to different people. What is fair to you is not fair to me............... and so on. At the end of the day, what some are pushing for as "fair," is tyranny. Taking from those that do to those that don't. Whether it be jobs, college admissions, or money. Hating the rich person is the method of trying to convince folks. The truth that is left out is, anyone who puts forth the effort, and never gives up, and has the great ideas, can be rich. A large amount of the wealthy, and some of THE MOST wealthy became that way on their own. So, should they be punished for taking all the risk, having the great ideas and seeing them through?? Many of the "punish" folks think yes.

BTW, I come from nothing and am not rich. I come from an alcoholic household full of abuse. So, I have never been anywhere close to rich................ and have been much closer to homeless many times. That was my privilege.
Neither is there fairness in socialist utopias.. aka Chainah or union of soviets venezuela or kiumba .. it’s all a lie..

this here the original constitution , the Magna Carta, and the 10 suggestions from mount sinai is the best hope for man, wrap them up in the beatitudes... aNd serve, but at issue real is the nature man and his place in all this.

Does man belong to the state or is man above the state. Is the state answerable to man or is the state a god?
 

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I have had friends of all ilks. For the longest time I was color blind. That is how it should be. We are a meritocracy. The way some of the racial activists are right now............ they want segregation. They want quota's. By disparaging everyone of the pale skin variety, and painting them all with the same brush, they are creating more racism that they would ever get rid of. This is a fair and kind country. The vast majority of the people try to treat everyone the same, based on their character. Yes, there are some who are not that way, and we always strive to improve. This is why so many people from around the world want to come here. What is happening right now is nuts, and it is counter productive, and I don't know if the activists really care at all.
I do consider myself color blind. But after doing courses in unconscious bias as a leader at my previous company, and doing more at my current company (since apparently all FAANGs "require" it as part of the on-boarding process), I've at least become more aware of the phenomenon, so I can catch myself in my daily interactions.

But I do agree, we can't paint people of the same color/race with the same brush. But it's happening on both sides of the aisle. And it isn't fair to either group. It feels like there's a motion to undermine the fabric of American society. It's a destabilizing effect.

Then again, I'm not white, and while my family came to the US in the late 60s, and largely didn't have much money and certainly didn't have a network to build off, that's no longer the case. The ethos is, work hard, and you will get all the returns the US allows. I was afforded every opportunity, only going to a public school for my undergraduate degree (and the UC system is one of the worlds best universities public or private). The remaining schools were private or more specifically elite private. So my perspective is decidedly skewed. I spend a lot of time trying to see the other side, just to understand it better. It's just a shame few others spend the time to do that.
 

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I do consider myself color blind. But after doing courses in unconscious bias as a leader at my previous company, and doing more at my current company (since apparently all FAANGs "require" it as part of the on-boarding process), I've at least become more aware of the phenomenon, so I can catch myself in my daily interactions.

But I do agree, we can't paint people of the same color/race with the same brush. But it's happening on both sides of the aisle. And it isn't fair to either group. It feels like there's a motion to undermine the fabric of American society. It's a destabilizing effect.

Then again, I'm not white, and while my family came to the US in the late 60s, and largely didn't have much money and certainly didn't have a network to build off, that's no longer the case. The ethos is, work hard, and you will get all the returns the US allows. I was afforded every opportunity, only going to a public school for my undergraduate degree (and the UC system is one of the worlds best universities public or private). The remaining schools were private or more specifically elite private. So my perspective is decidedly skewed. I spend a lot of time trying to see the other side, just to understand it better. It's just a shame few others spend the time to do that.
As my parents were completely absent in my education, and school counselors in my era didn't try to help the kids with the great grades, I fell through the cracks................. even as a straight A student. I was too wrapped up in the drama at home to even think that there were multiple scholarship opportunities for me. However, I did excel at all jobs. I did also, as the child of an alcoholic, follow in the footsteps of other children of alcoholics. I only knew abuse, so that is where I gravitated.

As such, coming from the "wrong side of the tracks" so to speak, I do have a perspective from that place. We are not wealthy, to this day.................... however, we are very comfortable. Many of the most unhappy people I know, are wealthy. I finally became a good adult at around 40. My Mom never has (she is the consumate victim). My Dad has been sober for over 30 years, and is VERY intelligent. Our son has our work ethic, and will make a good adult some day (you know how guys are................ that will be in the 40-50 range. :D ). So, while we are solidly middle class, I have friends from all economic classes.

It is interesting, because I find that folks like myself................. intelligent middle class people who came from not much, seem to have an easier time seeing how the different classes adapt to their surroundings. I don't find that so much with the upper classes. No offense, but I just think there is a lot of "assuming" that goes on, with what the poor / working poor / middle class deal with on a daily basis. This "assuming" leads to poor policy from the "ruling class." As in, they have never walked a day in our shoes, so they don't know how much their feet hurt.
 

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As my parents were completely absent in my education, and school counselors in my era didn't try to help the kids with the great grades, I fell through the cracks................. even as a straight A student. I was too wrapped up in the drama at home to even think that there were multiple scholarship opportunities for me. However, I did excel at all jobs. I did also, as the child of an alcoholic, follow in the footsteps of other children of alcoholics. I only knew abuse, so that is where I gravitated.

As such, coming from the "wrong side of the tracks" so to speak, I do have a perspective from that place. We are not wealthy, to this day.................... however, we are very comfortable. Many of the most unhappy people I know, are wealthy. I finally became a good adult at around 40. My Mom never has (she is the consumate victim). My Dad has been sober for over 30 years, and is VERY intelligent. Our son has our work ethic, and will make a good adult some day (you know how guys are................ that will be in the 40-50 range. :D ). So, while we are solidly middle class, I have friends from all economic classes.

It is interesting, because I find that folks like myself................. intelligent middle class people who came from not much, seem to have an easier time seeing how the different classes adapt to their surroundings. I don't find that so much with the upper classes. No offense, but I just think there is a lot of "assuming" that goes on, with what the poor / working poor / middle class deal with on a daily basis. This "assuming" leads to poor policy from the "ruling class." As in, they have never walked a day in our shoes, so they don't know how much their feet hurt.
Exactly. As an upper class in Africa and middle class in USA, I can see the blind spots in the Elites here. Being a Village elite back home from parents with considerable wealth, I cannot fathom how blind people in America can get in their high society life.
Its probably a product of peasantry coming to wealth.

however, I believe after thinking about it long enough that the single greatest threat to the United States is perpetual property taxes and the death taxes that have completely made formation of permanent regional residents impossible. Everyone is a serf here, from the President down.
look at even our former Presidents, non of them ever go back from the places they came from... this is a serious problem.

society is fluid, friendships fluid.. that is why you see the nastiest people on tv tearing others down.. they never have to face the local neighbors after being so nasty on National TV, and their children do not belong anywhere
 

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It is interesting, because I find that folks like myself................. intelligent middle class people who came from not much, seem to have an easier time seeing how the different classes adapt to their surroundings. I don't find that so much with the upper classes. No offense, but I just think there is a lot of "assuming" that goes on, with what the poor / working poor / middle class deal with on a daily basis. This "assuming" leads to poor policy from the "ruling class." As in, they have never walked a day in our shoes, so they don't know how much their feet hurt.
My family came from a poor country. Worked hard. And eventually came to the US. And then worked incredibly hard to not be poor. They lived in multi-generational households for a time to save up. And found jobs and worked their way up. And now we’re solid upper middle class. Back in the 80’s when I went to school, I went to a school and made friends. I didn’t know back then it was one of the most elite private Catholic schools in San Francisco.
We were solid middle class back then. We had a really sucky GM X-Car and a Fleetwood. But I grew up with the upper class, tho I didn’t really realize it back then. They were also the hardest working, most down to earth people you’ll ever meet. I remember, my friend’s dad would drive us around on weekends to the park or a classmate’s birthday party and just hanging out helping with homework or a science project. Just like a normal dad. You’d never know he founded and owned the largest shipping company in the Philippines.

Of course there’s a lot of “assuming” going around. You just made an assumption on the upper class, which in my experience, while the vapid and brainless do exist, runs counter to your assumptions. Everyone does it. We’re humans. That’s what we do.
But we as humans need to learn and educate ourselves to NOT do it. That’s our unconscious bias.

As for the politicians and “ruling class?” Many are self-serving. Many also just want to improve their city/state/country. But they all get caught up in their own respective platforms. Which then leads to poor policies or at best, inconsistent policies.
 

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Exactly. As an upper class in Africa and middle class in USA, I can see the blind spots in the Elites here. Being a Village elite back home from parents with considerable wealth, I cannot fathom how blind people in America can get in their high society life.
Its probably a product of peasantry coming to wealth.
Since one of the above posts was about going to an elite private school as a middle class kid, did I ever tell you I went to school with the son of the Consul General of Nigeria?
It really is a different kind of mindset I subconsciously learned about as a kid. I mean, I thought it was cool he got picked up by a chauffeured driven Town Car. But I also remember him complaining he’d like to take the bus like some of his other friends did. He almost didn’t graduate 8th grade because Nigeria closed the consulate in San Francisco in 89, and his family was being moved to London. But he did graduate and flew the next day to London.

I would never make that assumption about the upper class or “high society life.” I know better because I’ve seen it and experienced it. But that’s not saying there isn’t the vapid, brainless, influencer “elite.” I know better than to deny that because I see that all too often these days too.

I think what you have an issue with is the “upper class” and the conspicuous wealth that can be on display. And it can be.
I have a friend who grew up in that “conspicuous wealth.” Meet him, and you’d never know it tho. You’d never know his name appears in the Social Register of the East coast social elite. His family was wealthy. And I mean, 250 ft yacht with crew and helipad wealthy. But all he wanted to do was help underprivileged kids. And I don’t mean setting up foundations either. I mean hands on working with them And teaching, much to the disdain of his father. His grandfather on the other hand has been super supportive, much to the disdain of his dad. Yeah... that family was something else... But when your family is worth somewhere bother of 10 digits, you have different sorts of issues.

however, I believe after thinking about it long enough that the single greatest threat to the United States is perpetual property taxes and the death taxes that have completely made formation of permanent regional residents impossible. Everyone is a serf here, from the President down.
You do know there are ways “around” the death tax, right?
 

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No matter what Race, Wealth, Creed, Religious, Education, Background one comes from, the problems stems from "Looking at the Differences rather than the Similarities. That Issue has No Boundaries. Until it is erased, there will always be Racisms.
 

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Since one of the above posts was about going to an elite private school as a middle class kid, did I ever tell you I went to school with the son of the Consul General of Nigeria?
It really is a different kind of mindset I subconsciously learned about as a kid. I mean, I thought it was cool he got picked up by a chauffeured driven Town Car. But I also remember him complaining he’d like to take the bus like some of his other friends did. He almost didn’t graduate 8th grade because Nigeria closed the consulate in San Francisco in 89, and his family was being moved to London. But he did graduate and flew the next day to London.

I would never make that assumption about the upper class or “high society life.” I know better because I’ve seen it and experienced it. But that’s not saying there isn’t the vapid, brainless, influencer “elite.” I know better than to deny that because I see that all too often these days too.

I think what you have an issue with is the “upper class” and the conspicuous wealth that can be on display. And it can be.
I have a friend who grew up in that “conspicuous wealth.” Meet him, and you’d never know it tho. You’d never know his name appears in the Social Register of the East coast social elite. His family was wealthy. And I mean, 250 ft yacht with crew and helipad wealthy. But all he wanted to do was help underprivileged kids. And I don’t mean setting up foundations either. I mean hands on working with them And teaching, much to the disdain of his father. His grandfather on the other hand has been super supportive, much to the disdain of his dad. Yeah... that family was something else... But when your family is worth somewhere bother of 10 digits, you have different sorts of issues.



You do know there are ways “around” the death tax, right?
My failing was not adding a Disclaimer: Comments made are not indicative of an entire classes, just some within them. People whose success comes from hard word, and who came from nothing (as I had mentioned in a previous post) do understand. While some may end up forgetting at some point, many do not. Most who go into public service start out with the right intentions. It is those that are entrenched that forget about who their constituents are, and why they were there in the first place. This is especially obvious in National Politics.

A small snapshot into my teenage years. My first car was a 1974 Mercury Monterey (in 1981). My Dad "gave" me that car as payment for the babysitting money he had "borrowed" from me for years, to supplement his alcohol money. It was a pile, and caught on fire. :D

Sorry for not clarifying. My Rottie is sick, and I am not at my best.
 

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Since one of the above posts was about going to an elite private school as a middle class kid, did I ever tell you I went to school with the son of the Consul General of Nigeria?
It really is a different kind of mindset I subconsciously learned about as a kid. I mean, I thought it was cool he got picked up by a chauffeured driven Town Car. But I also remember him complaining he’d like to take the bus like some of his other friends did. He almost didn’t graduate 8th grade because Nigeria closed the consulate in San Francisco in 89, and his family was being moved to London. But he did graduate and flew the next day to London.

I would never make that assumption about the upper class or “high society life.” I know better because I’ve seen it and experienced it. But that’s not saying there isn’t the vapid, brainless, influencer “elite.” I know better than to deny that because I see that all too often these days too.

I think what you have an issue with is the “upper class” and the conspicuous wealth that can be on display. And it can be.
I have a friend who grew up in that “conspicuous wealth.” Meet him, and you’d never know it tho. You’d never know his name appears in the Social Register of the East coast social elite. His family was wealthy. And I mean, 250 ft yacht with crew and helipad wealthy. But all he wanted to do was help underprivileged kids. And I don’t mean setting up foundations either. I mean hands on working with them And teaching, much to the disdain of his father. His grandfather on the other hand has been super supportive, much to the disdain of his dad. Yeah... that family was something else... But when your family is worth somewhere bother of 10 digits, you have different sorts of issues.



You do know there are ways “around” the death tax, right?
Of course there is always exemptions to the rules. Most of us posting here have parents in their 80’s.
the elites are our generation now, and most gen Y and Xers are fools, even worse are the gen millennials.
I don’t want to imagine what follows them millennials..

However, folly eventually breeds nasty conflicts
 
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