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Not surprising. They did the same test in 2011, and both trucks have the same frames they did then.
 

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I actually like GM's 2500 trucks more than the Fords. A Denali 2500 in black is pure automotive pornography.
 
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Not surprising. They did the same test in 2011, and both trucks have the same frames they did then.

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Shhh, don't be saying that out loud.
 

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It's an interesting comparo, and should be usable for some real credit in advertising, but the truth is this has been done before (as others have indicated) and seemingly hasn't amounted to much positive benefit for GM. This is the segment in the pickup market where GM seems to be having the most difficulty getting any real traction, and yet I would argue that in many ways it is the area where they are arguably the most competitive with Ford and Ram. I've blamed part of this struggle to find greater success on the lack of a SFA in 4x4 models in the past, an issue which I think poisons the whole HD well for GM to some degree even if it doesn't apply directly to 2wd models. Still, I'm not sure that explains it all. And now a new Ford SD pickup is coming, which can't be considered a plus if they can't even gain any real traction against the existing model which uses a cab design from the paleolithic era.

In contrast to the chest pounding that is taking place in threads where the new Expy/Nav twins are compared to the better selling GM suv's I think this is an area where you have to do the opposite and start asking how GM can put forth so much effort and manage so little headway against Ford and Ram here. Guesses off the top of my head include......

1: Lack of a SFA in 4x4 models (as mentioned above)
2: People know that the otherwise excellent Duramax is an Isuzu-designed piece and in this somewhat macho category where people love baseball, mom, and apple pie that can't really be seen as a plus
3: Possible fallout for some recent (last decade) political decisions related to GM, this seems like a segment that would suffer more than some, but I would still think this relatively minor by this point

Other than that I've got nothing.
 

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Here is a more independent one with Dodge Vs. Ford. Apparently Dodge has the same frame philosophy as Chevrolet which leads me to think this is truly an engineering weakness and probably why Ford can move so many of them to fleets due to lower cost. These things are not cheap.

 

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Can someone explain the video? I can't get it to play? The Ford twists like wet spaghetti by the sounds of it...
the truck is driven up a ramp with the right front wheel and the left rear wheel until the right rear wheel is in the air

and the F250 bends far enough the tail gate can NOT be opened
VS the Chevy that did not bend as much and the tail gate could still be opened
 

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Impressive! Is there a benefit Ford gets by allowing for such frame twisting, i.e. better ride or somehow better traction or something like that? Or simply more profits in Ford's pocket?
I don't really know, but I wonder what the spacing of the frame rails are; GM vs. Ford, clearly GM's are "tied-tighter" if they are closer that would explain at least part of it, and then with that there may or may not be benefits/disadvantages with one or the other.

Also, I'd be interested to see the front-end of these trucks, the independent vs. solid front axle have to be impacting what is going on with the bed.
 

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GM definitely has a stronger frame. No doubt there. This demonstration sure does make Ford look bad.

But in the real world, what difference does this make? Not like the GM trucks have significantly higher towing or payload capacities
 
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This reminds me of the joke where the contortionist patient goes to the doctor, deforms themself in front of the doc, and says...Doc, it hurts when I do this. And the doc replies...well then, don't do that.


Nobody is going to simulate this dumb move. Let GM get some mileage out of this. They need all the truck help they can get.
 
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