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Ford F-150 Diesel Will Beat Ram EcoDiesel For Fuel Efficiency: Report

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The ongoing Volkswagen emissions scandal may have damaged diesel's reputation, but several carmakers are moving ahead regardless with plans to offer more diesel powertrains in the U.S.

In part, that's because diesel engines are proving to be an effective way to improve efficiency--in trucks and SUVs particularly.

Ford may now be the latest automaker to join the diesel cadre.

DON'T MISS: Ford F-150 Hybrid Pickup Truck By 2020 Reconfirmed, But Diesel Too? (Dec 2015)

What appear to be diesel-powered Ford F-150 test mules were spotted last month testing on public roads.

If Ford actually offers an F-150 diesel, it could steal the full-size truck fuel-economy crown from the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel, notes Automotive News.

The trade journal expects the diesel engine to be combined with the 10-speed automatic transmission Ford is co-developing with General Motors. The ongoing Volkswagen emissions scandal may have damaged diesel's reputation, but several carmakers are moving ahead regardless with plans to offer more diesel powertrains in the U.S.

In part, that's because diesel engines are proving to be an effective way to improve efficiency--in trucks and SUVs particularly.

Ford may now be the latest automaker to join the diesel cadre.

DON'T MISS: Ford F-150 Hybrid Pickup Truck By 2020 Reconfirmed, But Diesel Too? (Dec 2015)

What appear to be diesel-powered Ford F-150 test mules were spotted last month testing on public roads.

If Ford actually offers an F-150 diesel, it could steal the full-size truck fuel-economy crown from the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel, notes Automotive News.

The trade journal expects the diesel engine to be combined with the 10-speed automatic transmission Ford is co-developing with General Motors.
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bballr4567
2020 is a long time out. EcoDiesel could be updated by then right??
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bballr4567 said:
2020 is a long time out. EcoDiesel could be updated by then right??
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I believe the 2020 date is in reference to the Hybrid; Mule testing a diesel in the F150 TODAY, I doubt it'll be another 4 years.

One of the things holding the Ram back is curb weight.

So who gets theirs out first, GM or Ford? :think:

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bballr4567
Ahhhh, missed the one line regarding seeing mules on the road. haha
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Cheyenne454
Ed753 said:
I believe the 2020 date is in reference to the Hybrid; Mule testing a diesel in the F150 TODAY, I doubt it'll be another 4 years.

One of the things holding the Ram back is curb weight.

So who gets theirs out first, GM or Ford? :think:

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F150 Diesel could be as early as 2017. What does GM have coming out for the 1500's? I hadn't heard that they even had a plan. Does GM have a diesel suitable for the half tons?
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Cheyenne454 said:
F150 Diesel could be as early as 2017. What does GM have coming out for the 1500's? I hadn't heard that they even had a plan. Does GM have a diesel suitable for the half tons?
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Well they have the 4.5 Duramax laying around somewhere. but I doubt they use it.

my guess is they would probably wanna use a smaller displacement engine and try to maximize the MPG's (if they even want to release a diesel at all)
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hydrogen
I would like to see what an eAssist 5.3 can do first before GM gets into the half ton diesel game.
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fastrehotrods
Seems like it's too soon to declare a new winner. Last I thought, the new Ram was supposed to appear for the 2017, but then again that's been totally on the down low. But then again, Mopar has always seemed to be good about keeping secrets, so hopefully we get to see the next model shortly before it goes up for sale. With that new model, I'd definitely expect it to lose a lot of weight, though it's not like the new F150 really is a featherweight truck.
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Rocket 88
The reality is nobody gets to keep an exclusive on a profitable segment so Ram should certainly be expecting competition. As pointed out by the article some of that is already here with GM midsize pickup diesels and the Nissan Frontier diesels and now Ford will be throwing in themselves into the ring.
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Xtreme08
Sad thing is that GM could have been first to the half ton diesel party.
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chevypowa670 said:
Well they have the 4.5 Duramax laying around somewhere. but I doubt they use it.

my guess is they would probably wanna use a smaller displacement engine and try to maximize the MPG's (if they even want to release a diesel at all)
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Why not use the same 2.8 TDI that they use in the Colorado/Canyon? I would think they might be able to increase the boost a little and get over 200HP.
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Let's wait and see what the F150 actually does for fuel efficiency. They over-hyped and under delivered on the 2015's fuel economy...
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hydrogen said:
I would like to see what an eAssist 5.3 can do first before GM gets into the half ton diesel game.
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Parish the thought!! The whole eAssist thing was such a disaster in the past, it would be foolish to resurrect it.
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bballr4567 said:
Ahhhh, missed the one line regarding seeing mules on the road. haha
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How could you miss it? He double posted it!;)
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NeverEnough said:
Let's wait and see what the F150 actually does for fuel efficiency. They over-hyped and under delivered on the 2015's fuel economy...
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Ford claimed something on the new F150 that wasn't true? I believe the new "aluminum" F150 lost significant weight and has the best FE of any gasoline fullsize pickup, as claimed. Where did they claim something that didn't happen?
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Ed753 said:
So who gets theirs out first, GM or Ford? :think:

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eastcoasthd said:
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Dodge Diesel Pickups, Came out in 1962...
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eastcoasthd said:
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When will the world ever forgive GM for these atrocities? It seems like in every thread about diesels in half ton pickup someone always has to rub GM's nose in the stink of these early diesels from the late 70's and early 80's. I think maybe GM learned a thing or two about building a diesel on the cheap. They won't repeat the same mistakes.
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Ha Ha............

Although that 1982 GMC looks a lot like the 2014~2015 Silverado, I don't think we can run down to the corner and pick one up.
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The 1982 Silverado was almost exactly the same size as the current Colorado (configuration to configuration) and within 100 lbs. The 2.8L TDI in the Colorado far out performs the diesels of 1982.
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