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Got this over at fomoconews, thanks 2b2.
http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersEdge/idUSTRE49B3RK20081012
http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersEdge/idUSTRE49B3RK20081012
Ford appears strongest of US auto makers
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Doesnt Ford rely on Mazda for platforms? and doesnt Mazda rely on Ford for SUV (Mazda Tribute)? I dont think Ford will sell Mazda or Volvo just yet. I see the closing of Mercury a little closer than the previous 2.
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This is the relationship for mazda and Ford
Ford uses there old 6 platform
Mazda uses C1 platform for their compacts
the Mondeo platform is now used for the 6
Ford uses their I4 engines, Mazda uses Ford V6 engines
Mazda uses the Ranger platform for the BX-40
Remember without Ford, it is doubtful that Mazda could be here today. They almost died in the 90's Asian market bust.
Ford uses there old 6 platform
Mazda uses C1 platform for their compacts
the Mondeo platform is now used for the 6
Ford uses their I4 engines, Mazda uses Ford V6 engines
Mazda uses the Ranger platform for the BX-40
Remember without Ford, it is doubtful that Mazda could be here today. They almost died in the 90's Asian market bust.
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And if Mazda decides to buy back Ford's stake what would you think would happen? Mazda is considering it and why shouldn't they?
In our market it is really difficult to come around to say which is the best, they are all doing poorly. Until the market and the companies have stabilized it would then be worth evaluating which is the strongest.
In our market it is really difficult to come around to say which is the best, they are all doing poorly. Until the market and the companies have stabilized it would then be worth evaluating which is the strongest.
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Mazda needs Ford for R&D, there is no denying that and also plant space.
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Not entirely, Mazda could break free from Ford. With some reshuffling and reorganization they can pull off a similar R&D platform that they have with Ford. Mazda doesn't need Ford, it only makes their business cheaper and more convenient, but if Ford is to keep reducing budgets, Mazda will be severely affected by those actions. I don't see this as being any good for a business like Mazda which can survive on its own.
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Do you know how much money Mazda is saving by using Ford engines and platforms....billions. Billions that would otherwise could go into hydrogen and plugin tech that Mazda is currently doing. The Ford C1 platfrom is the best compact platform in the world hands down. If it wasnt for Ford, there would be no sporty 3 or Sporty 6, just boring 3 and 6.
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Ok the truck is dead huh. Jump in your Civic with a 300 Gallon slip tank, drive 90 miles of bush road to go to work. Fill up your Buncher with the slip tank in your trunk. Then drive home at the end of the week with the empty slip tank.
Wake up in the morning 3:00am, put your snow plow on your Corolla drive to work and plow out the lot so your co workers Corolla's won't get stuck.
Your at the job site and realize you need 4 more sheets of drywall, ASAP to finish up the job, The Mudders are there on the clock, can you afford to wait 4-6 hours for the lumber yard to deliver?
Ahh it is TGIF, you and your family want to go to the Cabin for the weekend, you back up your 40 MPG Focus, hook up your 4 MPG boat, tow it to the ramp, hoping there are 6 people there to help you lift your boat off the trailer and down the ramp, because your Focus always gets stuck doing it.
No the Truck is not dead except in the YUPPIE enviroment. It will no longer be a daily comuter but it does still have so many applications. Much like before the Pick Up became so popular in the late 80's early 90's
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Gas is $2.30 down here...it wont be $5.00 for 20 years.
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That is still not entirely relevant. Mazda has been making its own platforms in the past. It still makes platforms for a lot of its vehicles. Shuffling money to fund new platforms is not exactly difficult. Not sure which engines Mazda uses that are made by Ford, the majority of their vehicles are using the MZRs.
Mazda is reporting that they will buy back 20% from Ford. Kirk's sale is only giving them a bigger reason to execute this. Hiroshima Bank is looking to buy a large stake in Mazda in return.
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Mazda might only buy 10% back. And it is relevent....because money in an economy like this is. And mazda uses Ford engines in the 2, 3, 5, 6, and CX-9.
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3.0L Vulcan,4.0L Colonge/ both dated Way Dated. 3.0L Duratec and maybe the 3.5L Duratec aswell. 2.5L I4 which I think was derived from Mazdas 2.3L I4 minus the 2 plugs per cylinder. The 2.5L I4 Atkinson in the Hybrid.
Ford saved Mazda in 1979, when they had nothing ecxept a Wankel that didn't work long, and hope in the future MX6 which propally wouldn't have seen the light of day if Ford didn't step in and help them.
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And the Tribute, and the B series trucks.
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Isn't Hiroshima the biggest shareholder right now anyway? The idea is, they want the shares sold to the bank so no automaker will come in, since Mazda wants Ford as a partner.
The only platform unique to Mazda is the RX-8 and Miata... the rest are modified Ford platforms.
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Yes it is, but there are over 10 other companies, Japanese ones, that are looking to buy stake in Mazda. From the sounds of it they will each take 1% seperately.
I do not think we will see Gas spike up again - I just filled up for 2.59 - INCREDIBLE it was over $4 over the summer.
I liked where the US auto market was going with gas at $3.50 - before the economy hit the wall - with gas back down - I am affraid the "same old" will return .
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I liked where the US auto market was going with gas at $3.50 - before the economy hit the wall - with gas back down - I am affraid the "same old" will return .
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Another article that is completely clueless about the industry, equating product with company health and turnaround. People who don't understand the auto companies look at the surface and blather about their progress.
GM is a VERY sick company at its very core, no amount of superb product is going to cure that problem. It is an astoundingly badly managed operation that is doomed to fail unless something dramatic happens (like bankruptcy). They need to spend a lot of cash to bring NA under control, and they simply don't have it. They have never been willing to hurt today so they can survive tomorrow. They need change their culture and leadership and learn to give up size for health. Chrysler is comparatively healthy to GM even if their products are weak.
Ford is by far the healthiest of the three because they spent the last 4 years absolutely gutting its operations and rebuilding its culture at great embarrassment and humiliation in the media. The only Detroit company with a secure future, their very survival depended on those hard choices. Now we see Ford products instead of topping sales charts, topping quality and safety charts, repairing decades of misconceptions is far more important than maintaining market share at great loss. Retail Markethsare comes when earned and it's a slow, painful process that is the result of careful investment.
GM is a VERY sick company at its very core, no amount of superb product is going to cure that problem. It is an astoundingly badly managed operation that is doomed to fail unless something dramatic happens (like bankruptcy). They need to spend a lot of cash to bring NA under control, and they simply don't have it. They have never been willing to hurt today so they can survive tomorrow. They need change their culture and leadership and learn to give up size for health. Chrysler is comparatively healthy to GM even if their products are weak.
Ford is by far the healthiest of the three because they spent the last 4 years absolutely gutting its operations and rebuilding its culture at great embarrassment and humiliation in the media. The only Detroit company with a secure future, their very survival depended on those hard choices. Now we see Ford products instead of topping sales charts, topping quality and safety charts, repairing decades of misconceptions is far more important than maintaining market share at great loss. Retail Markethsare comes when earned and it's a slow, painful process that is the result of careful investment.
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