[mchicha]

Well, yes, but so was the ATS at one point, except the ATS was never this good compared to cars in its class.

Before this ATS had arguably the best interior in the segment... You drive one, you might have a different view on things.. I am testing some right now, for a year end purchase and the price of the C (which I am yet to purchase) is very steep.
I have done a $48,000.00 BMW 3series and frankly the Cadillac is better in materials, I have also driven a 4. The ATS I drove was this interior

I am yet to drive the A4, Mercedes C and the Lexus. The Mercedes price is quite steep though..

The C400 is the sport-biased offering for the C. The AMG-S version is going to be nuts...

S Class?

Well, I do not think any German company right now can lay down the gauntlet like Cadillac or Chevrolet..

 

[Extreme4x4]

Hahahaha exactly.

The worst ones are the ones that think cars like the MKC or SRX are bought because of "handling prowess".

Hey, one of the reasons we bought our Explorer Sport is because of the handling prowess.

I am not dumb enough to thing that I am a good representation of the buying public at large, however. LOL

 

[mgescuro]

I have done a $48,000.00 BMW 3series and frankly the Cadillac is better in materials, I have also driven a 4. The ATS I drove was this interior

You think that big hunk of black plastic in the middle of the dash is "high quality?" :blink:

I am yet to drive the A4, Mercedes C and the Lexus. The Mercedes price is quite steep though..

It's a Mercedes. Remember, C-Class is no longer the entry-level car in the US. So, a mid/high-$40K price is appropriate.

S Class?
Well, I do not think any German company right now can lay down the gauntlet like Cadillac or Chevrolet..

You're rhetoric is amusing.

 

[mchicha]

You think that big hunk of black plastic in the middle of the dash is "high quality?" :blink:



It's a Mercedes. Remember, C-Class is no longer the entry-level car in the US. So, a mid/high-$40K price is appropriate.




You're rhetoric is amusing.

Well, the center stack is what it is.. Its either that, Carbon fiber or some wood over there. I actually would rather the plastic if the lack of nobs in a Cadillac is where to go. Frankly its the only minus on the interior, plus CUE, but that I can get used to.. I am yet to test other vehicles.. But interior, I found Cadillac to be better than BMW for the price points.. I especially loved the rimless rear view mirror, and it drives very well with MRC. I will be driving the A4, the Mercedes and the Lexus. I just do not think anything else competes.

If I am spending my own money, value for money takes a very huge part of my purchase decision, that is how I ended up with an Equinox vs. an RX. I just could not justify the higher price of the Lexus. For what? Prestige of the brand.. in the end, Lexus lost because at the time Chevrolet offered more power, quieter cabin, more safety technology, superior warranty for an over $10,000.00 price advantage, plus, I gave up on the leather and saved more. Yes, I could afford the RX, but I just did not think it was justifiable for the price.. and overall the Lexus is a better vehicle, but not for the price..

By Gaunlet, I meant putting down a lap. Right now, yes there is cars that are faster, but you would be hard pressed to find anyone that can lay a faster lap than a General motors equivalent in the segment it competes. Its reality. I would be shocked if somehow Cadillac come out with a V that did not outperform its competition.

Yes, you might still find reasons to buy something else, but it will not be better lap times.

In the end, you and I look for different things in a vehicle. If I were to buy a sports car.. it better be the fastest in the class. Everything else is secondary if I am going to pay to go fast.

 

[Jesda]

I don't like Cadillac's mess of carbon + wood + leather + aluminum + piano black.

Just pick a theme or offer different themes instead of mashing them all together. It looks desperate.


On the plus side, Cadillac is high on interior quality if not aesthetics, where the British have an advantage.

 

[hydrogen]

Comparing the compact luxury segment, the ATS's overall value is the only selling point and why Cadillac is making a dent in that ultra competitive market.

 

[eaton53]

The only problem with the C-Class is pleather on a $40K car.
Price gets astronomical on leather cars because they tend to be loaded with other stuff.
The one we drove was almost $50K and it still didn't have leather.

 

[megeebee]

The new C Class is hands down the best car in the compact luxury sedan category IMHO.

Completely agree. Sad to say but I wouldn't even consider the ATS.

Yep, same here. The ATS is hopeless against this thing. I still love mine, but if I had the choice, I'd take the C without even thinking.

The ats won't touch this.

Here we have it. The "Give Up" Crowd.

Did anyone see this:

You'll need to spend just over $40,000 for a base four-cylinder C300, the cheaper of the two C-Class models currently available in the U.S. And "base" is the operative word -- this is a $40,000 car in which sat-nav and leather seats cost extra.

Sounds to me as if the C will be priced closer to the CTS.

Okay, it thoroughly trounces the ATS in every other metric besides extreme cornering maneuvers.

Where does it say that?

Bland & already dated. Daimler still has no clue how to stylistically integrate the off-shelf LED strips into the headlights in any sort of consistent & signature manner.

AMEN!

 

[jetstar63]

Value is huge, and I would choose an ATS over Mercedes Benz C class.

 

[JBsZ06]

Just the other day on autoline after hours ...the panel was discussing that Cadillac needs to equal or surpass the Germans and offer approximately a 10 percent price discount to compete...(with their perceived image) Lexus did this at its start in the UsA although Lexus at the time ran about a 30 percent price advantage...to Mercedes and over time Lexus increased its prices so today car for car they are about equal ..

I feel the improvements in Cadillacs are nice...but Cadillacs up charging big time and it's not worth it to many consumers...

As an example: standard Corvettes next generations always improve to previous generation higher performance models with at most a few dollar increase per year...

Cadillac went hog wild with its price increases...and didn't offer the package many of us wanted...

Either a naturally aspirated 430 hp v8 and AWD or the twin turbo v6 with 420 hp...

And not pricing it at 60 or 69 grand...

That's a blow me price...especially without AWD...

Cadillac screwed the pooch. I've pretty much lost interest.

My AWD cts fe2 304 hp v6 with 50k miles looks brand new and runs great....

Why would I drop 50 grand for basically the same car or 60 to 69 grand for the 420 hp and loose the AWD...

Now I'm looking at macans and GLA 45 amg.s

Maybe the upcoming Cadillac small cuv if it has a high performance variant.....as I prefer to buy low cost to own American products...

I fuc in hate German parts and labor rates out of warranty..

My buddy just had his wife rapped with their Audi Q7 which she brought in for a bent rim warranty replace,net at 12000 miles....she walked out when they hit her up for a 12000 mile 2100 dollar front rotor brake job...

These German brand service departments are always on the prowl and for that reason alone I always hesitate to buy their products.

I hate that crap and you always have to be on guard if you own their products especially out of warranty..

If your leasing it's basically a one finger salute as you get your oil changed....lol

Jmo

 

[Dr.Show-Me]

The funny thing being, enthusiasts think that everyone wants a luxury sports sedan. The reality is, most just want a really nice luxury sedan. There really is no such thing as a bad handling car these days (short of the MKS, yuck). Most cars handle far better than anyone will ever push them to. So, we are all just arguing semantics amongst ourselves. The non enthusiasts would read what we write and think we are all crazy.

Even enthusiasts would think that!

 

[Envoy4Life]

S Class?

Well, I do not think any German company right now can lay down the gauntlet like Cadillac or Chevrolet..

ATS still has an excellent interior. In fact, I'd say it's second after this car.

No, the AMG-S. The full model name is C63 AMG-S. It's a hotter C63 AMG.

Hey, one of the reasons we bought our Explorer Sport is because of the handling prowess.

I am not dumb enough to thing that I am a good representation of the buying public at large, however. LOL

LOL.

"Enthusiasts".

 

[Envoy4Life]

Mercedes-Benz can afford to charge a price premium because the CLA exists. The C is a much better car than any other cars in that class, so they can get away with charging extra for it. Also, the Mercedes-Benz name is strong enough for it to command a premium as well.

 

[Dr.Show-Me]

Nice looking car, but I would take an ATS 3.6 or 328i/335i over this thing. I feel that the Mercedes design language works better on the larger cars. I still really hate that screen sprouting from the middle of the dashboard, but the rest of the interior is gorgeous.
Mercedes will sell a ton of them though. Not based on the fact that it's a better car than the competition, but because of the tri pointed star on the hood. .

The C Class is the shrinky-dink wannabe version of the S Class, the "low-cost" MB for those who want something else (the S!)
The ATS is designed as a small sports sedan as an alternative to the 3.
I'd like to see Cadillac bring out a CLA competitor that competes directly with the CLA. Something like an ATS with the 2.5 and AWD for $29,995, optional leather for $1200. Cadillac would outsell CLA with that package if properly marketed. Oh and CUE with buttons!

 

[Envoy4Life]

The C Class is the shrinky-dink wannabe version of the S Class, the "low-cost" MB for those who want something else (the S!)
The ATS is designed as a small sports sedan as an alternative to the 3.
I'd like to see Cadillac bring out a CLA competitor that competes directly with the CLA. Something like an ATS with the 2.5 and AWD for $29,995, optional leather for $1200. Cadillac would outsell CLA with that package if properly marketed. Oh and CUE with buttons!

But that's the thing though. The C has been ****ty for so many years, it was always seen as a cheap wannabe S Class.

This generation is a totally different animal. MB really did a good job with this car, and it really is a "mini-S Class".

The next E is going to be one tough SOB...

 

[nferr]

[QUOTE=Dr. Show

I said the same thing in the other thread. They need a $29,995 ATS. Give it a manual at the price. And offer a killer lease deal. I bet they would draw a lot more showroom traffic.

 

[Dr.Show-Me]

I didn't read your post
Our suggestion would work IF GM marketed it right, but that's a big IF

 

[Sox]

[QUOTE=Dr. Show

"Our suggestion would work IF GM marketed it right, but that's a big IF"

Maybe GM could sponsor an also-ran English cricket team. There must be an extra half billion in someone's budget somewhere....

 

[Dr.Show-Me]

Man U is a failure, yeah, how about sponsoring a cricket team? Joel? Joel? Joel?

 

[wallus13]

The materials look good in that interior but the design is horrendous.