I do love the King Ranch line on Ford's trucks, but I'd still take a Tahoe/Yukon over the Ford twins. I'm pretty partial to the Yukon/XL.

On another note, I saw a new Escalade on the road the other day, it definitely had road presence and looked like a pressed suit driving down the road.

 

I might pay $70g's for a Hellcat challenger that looks similar to a vehicle made many decades ago.

 

I wil never buy a vehicle that weighs 6300 lbs. EVER. For ANY reason. That's just wasteful. I would like to see GM do additional tweaks to the new models. I know that is not their way, but a 250 lb weight reduction,better braking,, steering and cornering wouldn't be too much too ask.

 

If you need to haul a large family and stuff and trailer, what would you use then?

 

This was a humorous test.

Total Recall Motors claims their 2014 based truck products are all-new.

They aren't. To suggest otherwise is to lie. These are old bones with different sheetmetal and a different interior. This is a product that dates back to 1999.

Ford doesn't even claim this is a new product and doesn't play the pretend and lie game that Witch Bara's company does. But somehow, the old bones work far better in the real world than the fake new product can muster. While Ford didn't bother to change much, the items it did change now trump what TRM and Witch Bara didn't. You can have something that looks new but drives like last century, or you can have something that looks last century but drives like a product from today.

Ford has a truly new product in the wings - and Total Recall Motors won't.

And this will be delicious as the fraud and deception of Bloody Mary are once again trumped by a company that saved itself and hasn't recall everything its built since 1969.

 

Big LOL @ posting pictures as 'proof' that one is more attractive than another...

 

I'd love to host a live seminar about design and invite GMI members, but unfortunately I'm not able to, so pictures will have to suffice. :lmao:

 

This is yet another example of why GM should continue to worry. While GM management keeps trying to sort their priorities out, and continues to pour huge amounts of money into Cadillac at the expense of overly conservative efforts elsewhere, Ford continues to execute across the board. If this placeholder refresh is reviewing this well, what happens when alloy bodied Gator and Expy replacements hit in two years? Worth mentioning is that these vehicles will almost certainly benefit even more from an aluminum intensive approach than will the pickups. Unless GM gets serious about getting their house in order this will not end well and they can't just assume that leadership in this segment now will keep them safe......ask them how that is working for Silverado.

 

The Expedition and Navigator will never outsell the Tahoe/Suburban and Escalade... just like the GM pickups will never outsell the F-Series. However, Expedition and Navigator sales can certainly be higher than they are today, with a little bit of marketing behind them.

 

I will say that at least the Expy has actual windows with good visibility. I am hoping that K2XX is the last of Gm's high sill/ gun slit window look.

 

lol please Expedition could dream of having the success and name recognition that the Suburban has...

The new Suburban IMO looks great...And based off the early sales numbers alot of people seem to think the same.

The Suburban is the king of the full size SUV in America.

 

Suburban has been the standard of the segment forever and has the name recognition to go with it. Its an icon and I expect it to remain that way.

However to base success on "early sales numbers" is nonsensical, since most of that is dealer stock - getting trucks on the lots. Based on how old the designs of the two main players in this segment had become (GM + Ford), there should be pent up demand for both of them depending on which you prefer.

 

I just got home from a trip to New Orleans and on I10 there were Tahoes, Suburbans, and Yukons EVERYWHERE! Yes the new GM SUV's are being very well received in my area!

 

The new GM SUV's look really good in person...I agree they don't look so hot in photos, but in the real world they are very handsome and upscale looking.

 

I see probably 1,000 of them a day... they're even worse in person, if that were possible. For the Chevy, if they just made the headlights square, that would instantly solve the problem. The GMC is just a huge mess up front... tiny headlights, comical oversized grill.

Yet, the Chevy and GMC pickups look fantastic.

 

Meh, I'd much rather have the 6.2 or an updated, more powerful 5.0 in this than the EB, but it has to drive drive better than the new Chevy twins. I personally found the Tahoe/Suburban to be the most disappointing new vehicles I can remember driving in a long, long time. And I drive a ton.

 

And, therein lies why i replaced my 2011 with a 2014....

 

Go sit in an Expedition, then look at how close you are to the A pillar and how small the drivers window is. Almost sit behind the B pillar with the drivers seat all the way back. I hated that when we had our Expedition, the driving position felt weird, that has not changed one bit on the new models, you could probably take a door off a 05 and slap it on a 15. Other than the we liked our Expedition (the gutless 5.4 sucked though)

I'm a GM full size ute guy now and haven't looked back. If/when Ford redesigns their big ute's I'll have a look, but there's NO WAY I'm buying one with an Ecoboost. If GM would just build a 3/4 ton with a diesel I'd be happy for many, many years.

 

So basically, the GM Suv's will still be completely dominant in the segment, despite the bias of the media trying to convince us all to go to smaller displacement engines.