Suburban LTZ please. :yup:

 

Did any of you actually read the article?

"The Expedition EL stops, steers, and rides better than the new Suburban. The Ford's 60-0-mph stopping distance of 121 feet bests that of the Suburban by 9 feet, and its more communicative and accurate steering makes it easier to place precisely on the road. The independent rear suspension ensures the cabin is a calmer place for passengers than in the live-axle Chevy on bumpy back roads, and helps the big Expedition track better through the twisties."

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...com/roadtests/suvs/2015_ford_expedition_king_ranch_el_first_test/#ixzz3Fa4CXEhX

 

That's nice but where is the comparison to a similarly price Denali XL that has an 8speed, magnetic shocks, and a 6.2 liter that blows doors off???

A Yukon Denali XL 4x4 starts at $69,375.

 

I wish the trucks and full size suv's still shared front ends. That's way cleaner than the 150's front in my opinion.

 

With all of the special edition trucks Ford offers, why on earth wouldn't they do an F-150 with an Expy nose? That could look very sweet, and it's bound to be pretty close to a perfect fit, no? Call it the F-150 Expedition!

Oh and I always forget, does the Excursion still exist?

 

Tahoe and suburban look just fine in person but don't photograph well.

 

"The Expedition EL stops, steers, and rides better than the new Suburban. The Ford's 60-0-mph stopping distance of 121 feet bests that of the Suburban by 9 feet, and its more communicative and accurate steering makes it easier to place precisely on the road. The independent rear suspension ensures the cabin is a calmer place for passengers than in the live-axle Chevy on bumpy back roads, and helps the big Expedition track better through the twisties."

This is embarrassing to GM IMO. How is the old Expedition still better in all of these areas when the GM's SUV's are ALL NEW!?!? I know, the IRS but seriously? WOW. Although I would still take a Suburban, Yukon XL, and of course Escalade ESV over the Expedition EL and Navigator L, this is impressive along with their Ecoboost. Why don't they offer the 5.0L like they do on the F-150 though? It should be a no charge option no matter which one you go with.

 

This is embarrassing to GM IMO. How is the old Expedition still better in all of these areas when the GM's SUV's are ALL NEW!?!? I know, the IRS but seriously? WOW. Although I would still take a Suburban, Yukon XL, and of course Escalade ESV over the Expedition EL and Navigator L, this is impressive along with their Ecoboost. Why don't they offer the 5.0L like they do on the F-150 though? It should be a no charge option no matter which one you go with.

I think the real story here is these are trucks that even when "all new" designs are typically evolutions of prior versions and not revolutions. All new in this segment doesn't really mean everything is new!

As for the 5.0, it is an inferior engine in every way except exhaust note for this type of application.

 

For me the new Expedition swings both ways... those that know the old one can't help but see the same design from the A-pillar back... but if you forget or don't know that, it is actually a very clean and appealing design, nothing overdone, just purposeful and tidy. I don't see it challenging the sales leaders, but it can very easily hold its own and probably claw back a few points of market share.

 

Can't agree with you guys about the Yukon here, but then again, design is subjective.

I think the Yukon is absolutely gorgeous:

It's by far the best looking of the full size triplets IMHO.

 

Last generation, Suburban was the clear winner, despite the awful third row.

This generation, Suburban has been uglified, the Expedition hasn't gotten any uglier, and at least the Expedition has a usable third row.

 

My wife bought a 2015 Suburban and we're loving it. Since 'uglified' is subjective, I can only submit my own subjective assessment and state that we really like the styling.

 

How I am tiring of these "First Tests" that barely go beyond the info you get in a press release. All they could do was list EPA ratings. No real world gas mileage figures?

 

I give Ford credit for the IRS and for making as many changes as they have. But as far as sales, it and the Gator are getting crushed by GM. But then again, so is everyone else. If Ford can lighten the trucks to some degree, if it already drives better, accelerates harder, and carries/pulls more, they will have a legitimate contender.

 

$70,000
6,319 lbs.
.79 g
15 mpg city

A very fat pig with a diamond collar.

 

Sorry, no competition for GM. The few Ford faithful will buy them, but everyone else looking for a traditional full size SUV will buy GM.

 

First of all they compared its acceleration to the suburban that was using a 3.08 gear. If they wanted to compare acceleration they should have used a 3.42.

Also at the price they tested you can get a Yukon Denali that completely annihilates Ford in every aspect.

 

Have you been up close and personal with Ford's King Ranch packages? You might want to take a look if you haven't.

 

Based on the reviews I've seen, the refreshed Expedition and Navigator are nothing to sneeze at. They probably won't surpass the GM triplets in sales, but they do have a lot of features that set them apart in a positive way.

 

The Expedition has always had more utility than the Tahoe, Suburban.... From the ridiculous B pillar infringing on access to the second row, and the NON folding third row seats. These two glaring deficiencies have been fixed in the new Tahoe, Suburban....

The Tahoe, Suburban out sell the Expedition on two things in my mind styling, and reputation. Clearly the public preferred them even with less utility!....they simply have a long history with millions of existing customers on the road willing to trade in on a shiny new Tahoe, Suburban! For this Expedition to make in roads will take lower price and lots of marketing......even then it will be marginal....


2017 can't get here soon enough for the Expedition......

 

Fftmfw

 

You threw in an extra "F" in there, killer.

 

Suburban might be newer and with better materials and newer technology, but the Expedition looks really good. I wouldn't mind having one in the garage.

 

The front end and interior actually looks better than the Navigator.

 

The front end and interior actually loods better than the Navigator.

and is as expensive as the Lincoln to boot
but it is interesting that a NEW PT in an OLD chassis can keep up with an ALL NEW chassis/PT package
I think the "issue" is summed up in the opening line as everybody has "written" it off as OLD news

 

GM's so dominant in this segment that I almost forget other makers offer similar vehicles.
And that's not going to change anytime soon.

 

Night and day better, but should be priced at $59k not 69k. I know these are bigger, but that's GL territory.

I like the Denali better, just wish they would have switched to IRS and fixed the third row issue like Ford has.

 

While I really do think the upgraded powertrain has substantially improved the Expedition and Navigator, I couldn't justify buying a 2006-based vehicle new in 2012.

Now the replacement for this which should be coming in ~2-3 years WILL have my attention.

 

Does that include the upgraded Lincoln shocks for that price?
Yeah, this is quite the deal.

 

Wow, a 4WD Expedition does the same 0-60 and quarter mile times of a late 70's Trans Am

 

I just need somebody to sell a 3/4 full size suv again with a HD replaceable hitch. I'm not counting on it and plan to keep my 2003 another 10 years. The 2007+ models are not adequate with only a 1,000 lb tongue weight limit. They also don't have as comfortable of a 3rd row as the 2000-2006 models either, and the 3rd row head rests are not suitable for adults, just like the back seats of the Silverado's.

I prefer the styling of the current GM models over the Expedition however. If I only needed a light duty tow vehicle, it would be my preference as long as my bikes still fit in the back with the front wheels off. Not sure with the elevated floor.

 

I'll just say I'd have a really difficult time paying $70,000 for a vehicle that was new for 2007. On the other hand, this EL version (according to MT) rides and handles better than the GMs and is quicker than a Tahoe, much less a Suburban. Eh, I guess I'd seriously have to shop both.

Toyota Sequoia FTW!

 

I'll just say I'd have a really difficult time paying $70,000 for a vehicle that was new for 2007.

Every year several thousand people pay almost twice as much for a vehicle that was new in 1990.