Suburban LTZ please. :yup:

 

Last generation, Suburban was the clear winner, despite the awful third row.

This generation, Suburban has been uglified, the Expedition hasn't gotten any uglier, and at least the Expedition has a usable third row.

 

Okay, fine:

Better?

 

Fftmfw

 

You threw in an extra "F" in there, killer.

 

Suburban might be newer and with better materials and newer technology, but the Expedition looks really good. I wouldn't mind having one in the garage.

 

How I am tiring of these "First Tests" that barely go beyond the info you get in a press release. All they could do was list EPA ratings. No real world gas mileage figures?

 

The front end and interior actually looks better than the Navigator.

 

The front end and interior actually loods better than the Navigator.

and is as expensive as the Lincoln to boot
but it is interesting that a NEW PT in an OLD chassis can keep up with an ALL NEW chassis/PT package
I think the "issue" is summed up in the opening line as everybody has "written" it off as OLD news

 

I give Ford credit for the IRS and for making as many changes as they have. But as far as sales, it and the Gator are getting crushed by GM. But then again, so is everyone else. If Ford can lighten the trucks to some degree, if it already drives better, accelerates harder, and carries/pulls more, they will have a legitimate contender.

 

Tahoe and suburban look just fine in person but don't photograph well.

 

GM's so dominant in this segment that I almost forget other makers offer similar vehicles.
And that's not going to change anytime soon.

 

$70,000
6,319 lbs.
.79 g
15 mpg city

A very fat pig with a diamond collar.

 

Night and day better, but should be priced at $59k not 69k. I know these are bigger, but that's GL territory.

I like the Denali better, just wish they would have switched to IRS and fixed the third row issue like Ford has.

 

While I really do think the upgraded powertrain has substantially improved the Expedition and Navigator, I couldn't justify buying a 2006-based vehicle new in 2012.

Now the replacement for this which should be coming in ~2-3 years WILL have my attention.

 

Sorry, no competition for GM. The few Ford faithful will buy them, but everyone else looking for a traditional full size SUV will buy GM.

 

Did any of you actually read the article?

"The Expedition EL stops, steers, and rides better than the new Suburban. The Ford's 60-0-mph stopping distance of 121 feet bests that of the Suburban by 9 feet, and its more communicative and accurate steering makes it easier to place precisely on the road. The independent rear suspension ensures the cabin is a calmer place for passengers than in the live-axle Chevy on bumpy back roads, and helps the big Expedition track better through the twisties."

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...com/roadtests/suvs/2015_ford_expedition_king_ranch_el_first_test/#ixzz3Fa4CXEhX

 

That's nice but where is the comparison to a similarly price Denali XL that has an 8speed, magnetic shocks, and a 6.2 liter that blows doors off???

A Yukon Denali XL 4x4 starts at $69,375.

 

Does that include the upgraded Lincoln shocks for that price?
Yeah, this is quite the deal.

 

Wow, a 4WD Expedition does the same 0-60 and quarter mile times of a late 70's Trans Am

 

I just need somebody to sell a 3/4 full size suv again with a HD replaceable hitch. I'm not counting on it and plan to keep my 2003 another 10 years. The 2007+ models are not adequate with only a 1,000 lb tongue weight limit. They also don't have as comfortable of a 3rd row as the 2000-2006 models either, and the 3rd row head rests are not suitable for adults, just like the back seats of the Silverado's.

I prefer the styling of the current GM models over the Expedition however. If I only needed a light duty tow vehicle, it would be my preference as long as my bikes still fit in the back with the front wheels off. Not sure with the elevated floor.

 

I'll just say I'd have a really difficult time paying $70,000 for a vehicle that was new for 2007. On the other hand, this EL version (according to MT) rides and handles better than the GMs and is quicker than a Tahoe, much less a Suburban. Eh, I guess I'd seriously have to shop both.

Toyota Sequoia FTW!

 

You would rather spend $70K for a brand new design that is functionally inferior?

 

First of all they compared its acceleration to the suburban that was using a 3.08 gear. If they wanted to compare acceleration they should have used a 3.42.

Also at the price they tested you can get a Yukon Denali that completely annihilates Ford in every aspect.

 

Have you been up close and personal with Ford's King Ranch packages? You might want to take a look if you haven't.

 

"The Expedition EL stops, steers, and rides better than the new Suburban. The Ford's 60-0-mph stopping distance of 121 feet bests that of the Suburban by 9 feet, and its more communicative and accurate steering makes it easier to place precisely on the road. The independent rear suspension ensures the cabin is a calmer place for passengers than in the live-axle Chevy on bumpy back roads, and helps the big Expedition track better through the twisties."

This is embarrassing to GM IMO. How is the old Expedition still better in all of these areas when the GM's SUV's are ALL NEW!?!? I know, the IRS but seriously? WOW. Although I would still take a Suburban, Yukon XL, and of course Escalade ESV over the Expedition EL and Navigator L, this is impressive along with their Ecoboost. Why don't they offer the 5.0L like they do on the F-150 though? It should be a no charge option no matter which one you go with.

 

This is embarrassing to GM IMO. How is the old Expedition still better in all of these areas when the GM's SUV's are ALL NEW!?!? I know, the IRS but seriously? WOW. Although I would still take a Suburban, Yukon XL, and of course Escalade ESV over the Expedition EL and Navigator L, this is impressive along with their Ecoboost. Why don't they offer the 5.0L like they do on the F-150 though? It should be a no charge option no matter which one you go with.

I think the real story here is these are trucks that even when "all new" designs are typically evolutions of prior versions and not revolutions. All new in this segment doesn't really mean everything is new!

As for the 5.0, it is an inferior engine in every way except exhaust note for this type of application.

 

I do love the King Ranch line on Ford's trucks, but I'd still take a Tahoe/Yukon over the Ford twins. I'm pretty partial to the Yukon/XL.

On another note, I saw a new Escalade on the road the other day, it definitely had road presence and looked like a pressed suit driving down the road.

 

I might pay $70g's for a Hellcat challenger that looks similar to a vehicle made many decades ago.

 

I wil never buy a vehicle that weighs 6300 lbs. EVER. For ANY reason. That's just wasteful. I would like to see GM do additional tweaks to the new models. I know that is not their way, but a 250 lb weight reduction,better braking,, steering and cornering wouldn't be too much too ask.

 

If you need to haul a large family and stuff and trailer, what would you use then?

 

This was a humorous test.

Total Recall Motors claims their 2014 based truck products are all-new.

They aren't. To suggest otherwise is to lie. These are old bones with different sheetmetal and a different interior. This is a product that dates back to 1999.

Ford doesn't even claim this is a new product and doesn't play the pretend and lie game that Witch Bara's company does. But somehow, the old bones work far better in the real world than the fake new product can muster. While Ford didn't bother to change much, the items it did change now trump what TRM and Witch Bara didn't. You can have something that looks new but drives like last century, or you can have something that looks last century but drives like a product from today.

Ford has a truly new product in the wings - and Total Recall Motors won't.

And this will be delicious as the fraud and deception of Bloody Mary are once again trumped by a company that saved itself and hasn't recall everything its built since 1969.

 

Based on the reviews I've seen, the refreshed Expedition and Navigator are nothing to sneeze at. They probably won't surpass the GM triplets in sales, but they do have a lot of features that set them apart in a positive way.