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That profile looks bloated and dreadful! I like the grille but the rear hindquarters on large GMNA cars look horrid! Impala and LaX are equal culprits.
Agreed, but don't take our word for it.

In the two separate XTS commercials I've seen... one in the city and one on a freeway... they show you the rear of the car taking off and then do this futuristic 'zooming' effect past the side, landing directly on a head-on view. Hey, that was cool! Nah, just a tricky way not to show you what the side looks like.
 
I was able to recently see this car in person, and I found the design quite stunning. The back seat is noticeable bigger than my 300, but I can't imagine that the V6 will feel the way that the quite pleasant Northstar V8 feels even though the performance should be similar. Also my DTS was larger in the back seat as well, and the comments about the slightly brittle ride quality worry me.
Noooo way. I drove my father's DTS fairly extensively and I had few complaints about both ride quality and power. My father praised the XTS as having a superior ride.
 
I think the problem with the XTS was its starting point - the EpiII LaCrosse, which looks tall, bloated and heavy, like a hippo on wheels. The XTS has larger windows, a larger trunk and Cadillac design cues, but it ends up looking awkward, instead of elegant and properly proportioned. The CTS looks properly proportioned. The ATS in pictures looks properly proportioned. The XTS looks ...... awkward from the side and rear, but the cut-off front-end looks good straight-on.
 
Well done, General now you are 2 for 2. The write up was great also, it was fair and honest. To me, though, it's all in the execution.
 
I have to wholeheartedly agree about the steering feeling a bit disconnected at highway speeds. That was disappointing, but not something I couldn't live with for a cruiser.
 
At least this wasn't written by Mr Snowbank.

Unfortunately, the XTS is basically an SUV in a sedan form. It costs twice what a 2009 Ford Five Hundred did, doesn't perform any better, get any better gas mileage, doesn't handle any better, and I dare say, it probably isn't as roomy.

You'd be better off buying a gently used 2009 Ford Five Hundred and save yourself $30k and all the property tax costs.

Honestly, the XTS is a Cadillac that is gutless and not good enough to do anything more than to pull in the idiots who would have bought a DTS or STS anyway. The XTS is so underwhelming it will not impact sales all that much and further prove that Cadillac is incapable of building a flagship that can be mentioned with the best in its class without a chorus of laughter.

One good touch for the Cadillac - it has hand-stitched vinyl. LOL! you can't make this stuff up.
 
You guys sure this isn't just another one of GM's dreaded "wheel gap" issues? Because when you put properly sized wheels/tires for the space available, I think it has a much cleaner profile.

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And Mr. Burns, I completely disagree. I actually like the large rear overhang--it is more "Cadillac" IMO. I like that they're trying to style it their way, and NOT copy the Germans. And I'm guessing there are LOTS of people that would love to have that extra 4 cubic feet of trunk space.
Heh... actually, that does vastly improve the situation.
 
Car looks great. Car's profile looks great. If you want to fit it into that freaking RWD proportional box, go buy a bleepin' bleep RWD car.

Baby's got back, and I like it.
 
Nice review, Al. I think it's a nice looking car and no doubt it's full of technology (hopefully easy to use).
Many people I know think Caddy's are too edgy, so it will be interesting to see what those same people think of the XTS.


Now, if I may be a grammar/editing douche for a moment... It's "bring to bear" not "bring to bare". "Bare" means they made everything naked or slim. "Bear" means they pointed their entire arsenal of weapons at the problem and destroyed it. :)
 
Let's see. A car that comes out in 2012 that doesn't look as stylish as the car that came out in 2008 that it's supposed to replace. Maybe somebody can explain to me why Cadillac needed to build this car as opposed to, say, the Ciel?
 
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Let's see. A car that comes out in 2012 that doesn't look as stylish as the car that came out in 2008 that it's supposed to replace. Maybe somebody can explain to me why Cadillac needed to build this car as opposed to, say, the Ciel?
Well, it replaces the DTS and STS, so I would argue that the XTS looks much better than those 2. But the CTS changed the A&S design theme so much that I wish they didn't back off and soften things up. That was the problem. Even SRX keeps that theme alive. XTS and ATS don't, sadly.
 
Well, they do have the fender flares. What I miss most are the crisp lines and corners of the grille and side windows.

Still, it isn't as drastic a change as the 71's, when they dropped the chisel tip fenders and straight lines of the previous decade for a modern interpretation of styling cues from the porky 50's. I was 10 and horrified.

There's now a beautiful, gold 1967 hardtop Sedan deVille at the used car lot 3 blocks from my house. It's in fine shape but missing a fender skirt. I measured the trunk with my feet tonight. It's 5 feet from the backwindow to the bumper.
 
Well, it replaces the DTS and STS, so I would argue that the XTS looks much better than those 2. But the CTS changed the A&S design theme so much that I wish they didn't back off and soften things up. That was the problem. Even SRX keeps that theme alive. XTS and ATS don't, sadly.
Sharp design:
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Soft design:
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Abandoning the horrendously cheap looking design language of the SRX means Cadillac is on the right track.
 
^ If 'abandoning' means going to a generic, amorphous quivering mass of soft radiuses from the 1990s, with less distinction, that would be the wrong track.
 
The XTS looks good, especially from the front and front 3/4; profile not so much.

With the interior do Cadillac still offer umpteen different wood types as options?
 
^ If 'abandoning' means going to a generic, amorphous quivering mass of soft radiuses from the 1990s, with less distinction, that would be the wrong track.
I would have to emphatically agree, and also agree that no one does beige like Lexus.
 
Not The Cadillac We Deserve, But The One They Need Right Now
Lesson #1: Just because you "need it now," still doesn't make it the right product.

To everyone's surprise, the CTS hit the market and slowly started to build a reputation for a solid driving vehicle, which was followed up by a larger STS and sports crossover the SRX. Despite the CTS's successes in altering the image of Cadillac, the brand still could not stem sales losses. What exactly was going on? Cadillac had finally brought out several great driving vehicles that rivaled their German counterparts, but sales continued to slide further and further down. It seemed Cadillac had lost focus on something it used to do very well, and that was the finer details as well as offering a true luxury experience. It was always the missing piece to the puzzle as to why these new Cadillacs were not enjoying the same success of the imports; not offering an interior truly befitting of a luxury car. Well, it seems as if Cadillac might have finally come around to figuring out the last part, and they are showing it off in the new XTS.
Al... You need to work on your sentence structure a bit. That was kinda painful.
Over the the course of about 12 years, Cadillac went from relatively acceptable interiors to complete crap and back to acceptable interiors. I don't believe their class leading, but they're certainly not bottom dwelling either. And they seem better than mid-pack too.

Cadillac also added a few extra inches to the tail of the big sedan to increase trunk size, something that will surely have your friends making Mafia jokes over and over.
Which also gives it a weird stance.

Overall design is much softer and less dynamic than previous Art and Science expressions, and that is on purpose as Cadillac cuts down on the sharp creases and replaces them with more organic flowing curves. This can be seen in the headlights as they arc up and over the fenders, stretching back almost to the wheel opening. This if highlighted by Cadillac's signature LED pipe that runs up the outer edge of the fog light and into the headlight. The standard grill is very detailed and much more upscale looking compared to the plastic grill Cadillac has been trying to get away with for the last few years on the CTS while the top-trim Platinum's grill is all metal. The use of polished and brushed metal replaces chrome accents all around the car, something that Caddy made famous for the last 60 years.
Is the LED light pipe standard or is it omitted on the base XTS model only and standard on up?
Is it brushed metal or matted metal?

While the outside arguably takes a step back in the exciting department, it is inside that Cadillac finally takes five big steps forward. The XTS concept showcased an amazingly beautiful interior, which was wrapped in various types of leather, suede, wood, and metal and it all revolved around the technological centerpiece of a capacitive color touch screen center console with a brilliant LCD instrument panel that could be reconfigured to display all sorts of information. Most people expected Cadillac to lay up and just replicate the LaCrosse's interior with just slightly more leather, but they brought everything to bear to turn this interior into one of the most beautifully laid out and well appointed in the segment. The non-Platinum trimmed XTS has a very nice hand-sewn vinyl dash, woven headliner, along with well-crafted door panels.
Vinyl? Or Pleather? I wish the concept's door handles had made it to production. But oh well.

The Platinum model receives the full leather treatment, also hand-sewn for the dash and door panels. Above your head, you are treated to a nice suede ceiling, something that we have not seen in a Cadillac sedan since the now-dead STS-V. The addition of real wood accents and more brushed metal are highlighted by a soft white glow of ambient lighting. Every surface of the interior that isn't covered in leather is high-grade, soft touch plastic, which is expected from a car like this but something that Cadillac has missed in the past.
Seriously? A white glow for ambient lighting??? IS this going to be the new revised color for Cadillac's ambient lighting? SRX is white. CTS is blue. Can we please just get 1 color!! White seems to be unimaginative.

Syncing my Galaxy Nexus to the phone took three seconds, and I had full access to my phone book as well as music through Google Play through the Bluetooth connection, all standard fare. It might sound boring, but to have the ability to control what songs I want to listen to, streaming from the cloud and down through my phone, added to the technological orgy going on inside. The sound out of the base Bose system was very clear and offered great tone, something I was not expecting.
Let's try this again. You synced your Droid to CUE, right? That means you moved all your contacts to the CUE system. Or did you mean, you established a connection to your Droid using CUE? I'm assuming this will also work with Pandora, Spotify, and iTunes.

Bose systems in Cadillacs are generally engineered to the acoustics of the car. So despite the "inferior" speakers, it often sounds great. STS had one of the best systems out there.

To many people of my generation, Bose is more synonymous with infomercials about sound-canceling headphones and small radios that offer big radio sound and not that of a world-class stereo system. When we asked why Cadillac did not go for a higher-end name for the stereo, we received a little lesson on exactly what is the difference between the Bose system and others found in the competition. For example, what Bang and Olufsen do is licence their name to companies like Audi and allow their engineers to design the system using B&O parts. Bose, on the other hand, has full control of the sound system, allowing people who's specific job it is to make sure the music is optimized for the cabin. This is even more evident when you step into the upgraded 14-speaker Bose system, complete with seat-mounted speakers.
Maybe for Audi. Not so with Jaguar. And B&W use reference quality speakers. I don't know how Lexus works though, but they have reference level in the LS and LX... maybe LFA but not sure.

The XTS is a car for the greater good of the brand in that Cadillac has finally exercised their ability to make a fantastic interior complete not only in design but with materials and attention to detail. This has been the missing link for Cadillac for so long, this ability to come up with some truly high-end stuff that customers in this realm want and demand. CUE acts as the centerpiece to the whole car and ties the art and science theme together for the first time, transforming it from a design language to a motto that Cadillac can move forward with. XTS sits in this middle ground of the sporty, performance image of the CTS and ATS and former nameplates like Deville and Eldorado, leaning in neither direction. It is a car for Cadillac to build off of, something to give everyone at the division a baseline of what is to be expected when it comes to playing in the luxury field. From this point on, all Cadillacs must have the same execution to detail, but with every aspect of the car. Until every car has that level of excellence, the XTS will be the finest example of what Cadillac can do when it really wants. Hopefully one day we will look back at the XTS and know that it helped start changing things at the brand for good.
The fundamental problem with XTS is that it's the car that Cadillac MUST STOP BUILDING!!!
Cadillac reverts to this vestigial part of its history, insisting that it must build this type of car for its "traditional buyers." Sorry, but these "traditional buyers" can be moved to an ATS or CTS.

While it's nice that Cadillac is learning to build a luxury interior again, after forgetting how to, they need to learn how to do it and apply it across the entire model line. THey need a unified look and feel. THey need each and every interior to say "Cadillac." SRX and Escalade need to be brought into line. And initial looks of CTS seems to be falling in line. So that's a big plus.

But remember, as Cadillac moves up and up the food chain, each interior must become progressively better and better. XTS seems to align with the German and British mid-sizers. But the next level up, the competition is far stiffer and robust with options and details and technology. So, we'll see how it goes.
 
Lesson #1: Just because you "need it now," still doesn't make it the right product.


Al... You need to work on your sentence structure a bit. That was kinda painful.
Over the the course of about 12 years, Cadillac went from relatively acceptable interiors to complete crap and back to acceptable interiors. I don't believe their class leading, but they're certainly not bottom dwelling either. And they seem better than mid-pack too.


Which also gives it a weird stance.


Is the LED light pipe standard or is it omitted on the base XTS model only and standard on up?
Is it brushed metal or matted metal?


Vinyl? Or Pleather? I wish the concept's door handles had made it to production. But oh well.



Seriously? A white glow for ambient lighting??? IS this going to be the new revised color for Cadillac's ambient lighting? SRX is white. CTS is blue. Can we please just get 1 color!! White seems to be unimaginative.



Let's try this again. You synced your Droid to CUE, right? That means you moved all your contacts to the CUE system. Or did you mean, you established a connection to your Droid using CUE? I'm assuming this will also work with Pandora, Spotify, and iTunes.

Bose systems in Cadillacs are generally engineered to the acoustics of the car. So despite the "inferior" speakers, it often sounds great. STS had one of the best systems out there.



Maybe for Audi. Not so with Jaguar. And B&W use reference quality speakers. I don't know how Lexus works though, but they have reference level in the LS and LX... maybe LFA but not sure.



The fundamental problem with XTS is that it's the car that Cadillac MUST STOP BUILDING!!!
Cadillac reverts to this vestigial part of its history, insisting that it must build this type of car for its "traditional buyers." Sorry, but these "traditional buyers" can be moved to an ATS or CTS.

While it's nice that Cadillac is learning to build a luxury interior again, after forgetting how to, they need to learn how to do it and apply it across the entire model line. THey need a unified look and feel. THey need each and every interior to say "Cadillac." SRX and Escalade need to be brought into line. And initial looks of CTS seems to be falling in line. So that's a big plus.

But remember, as Cadillac moves up and up the food chain, each interior must become progressively better and better. XTS seems to align with the German and British mid-sizers. But the next level up, the competition is far stiffer and robust with options and details and technology. So, we'll see how it goes.
"they're" not "their" if you will be critiquing folks' writing skills.
 
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