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What would they have to gain by "fixing" the competition. The "truth" would just come out in a month or so.

Most of the time, when these types of comparisons happen.................. even when they are put together by a manufacturer.............. they ask the other manufacturer to provide a vehicle for the comparison. They certainly do not purchase them. It is quite obvious that they did not use the vehicles that they had on hand during development, as the 2009 Ram was only available recently.

Thus, what they compare to, is what those manufacturers sent them.

BTW, if you have doubts about the comparison, due to the towing issues with the Ram, they explained why it towed poorly, very well. There is a huge drop in gearing, from first to second. This is what really hurt the Ram. This is also where the Rams 5-speed auto, and the Fords 6-speed auto really show their advantages/disadvantage. Remember that the Ford has a huge advantage, over the Chevy, in torque................. it also has almost as much torque as the Hemi Dodge. Thus, the results do not surprise me. When the Expedition came out with the 6-speed auto, everyone was surprised at how much of a difference it made to that vehicle............... so none of this is a big surprise.
 

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I love it!

Now why did Ford postpone it 2 months? I have a total of 1 new 2008 F 150 in stock. That is about 12 short of where it should be.

Is it such an improvement that the 2008's won't sell if they are beside an 2009?

Even the closest city dealer, with a population 100,000+ is sold out of 2008's
 

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So the new F150 gets a silver and black dash and everyone loves it? Lol, darth vader wears the blue oval ;)

I'm not a fan of the exterior styling. Looks waaaaaaaaaay to soft.
 

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Read the reviews, specially Popular Mechanics. They are not the quickest, but they are the heaviest. and people are not cross shopping a F150 to a Corvette
Its not about cross shopping a F150 and a Corvette, its about the fact that engines have always been Ford's achilles heel. I want American trucks to continue their dominance over imported competition and that requires addressing weaknesses.
 

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Its not about cross shopping a F150 and a Corvette, its about the fact that engines have always been Ford's achilles heel. I want American trucks to continue their dominance over imported competition and that requires addressing weaknesses.
They are the closest that they have ever been. 320hp 390ft/lbs and they have never lost the #1 spot while fighting the HP wars.

And on the flip side they have matched GM for fuel mileage, with out all the Variable Displacement C r a p.
 

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I'll be interested to see a full comparison to the new Dodge (and not with the Ford supplied competitors - I'm a little skeptical when any company supplies the competitor) and against a GM with the six speed!
the Popular Mechanics had an independent test of them all.

The Chevy (with 6 speed) did not do well at all. Chevy was rated next to last.
 

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Is there a Harley Davidson edition coming?
 

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the Popular Mechanics had an independent test of them all.

The Chevy (with 6 speed) did not do well at all. Chevy was rated next to last.
Of course they wer going to pick the newest kid on the block. They always do. Two months ago or so it was Dodge, before that Toyota, before that Chevy. The new kid always wins the initial comparisons as to not hurt the manufacturers feelings and lose valuable advertising dollars. $$$ :D
 

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They are the closest that they have ever been. 320hp 390ft/lbs and they have never lost the #1 spot while fighting the HP wars.

And on the flip side they have matched GM for fuel mileage, with out all the Variable Displacement C r a p.
Spin all you want, but a brand new model finishing last in acceleration and braking is not good (Popular Mechanics comparo). I understand that the F-150 won the comparo, but to buy one you do have to accept a performance deficit. Some of us would like to see Ford produce a no-excuses, class leading vehicle that excels in every area. Maybe the Boss V8 will help the F-150 move closer to that.

I understand that pickups are not sports cars. But plenty of folks buy these vehicles for personal use. In that slice of the market, performance and bragging rights have some weight. One shouldn't have to sacrifice that to own an F-150. Not saying that it has to do 4.5 to 60, but I would like for once to see a comparo where the F-150 is not dead last in acceleration.

And Ford seems to be having a problem with braking distances lately. The Edge, Escape, Focus and now the F-150 all have posted poor braking distances in initial testing.
 

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Those figures are on E85 fuel, for regular fuel, the figures are 310HP and 365 torque.

Check out the Ford media guide for the 2009 F150, clearly states two tiered power levels dependant upon fuel type:
No wonder the F150 is still so underpowered, I knew the numbers weren't adding up. I bet that's the same issue with the new Hemi engine numbers and performance.
 

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Our Half-Ton Shootout is coming November 12.



All the trucks were crew cab 4x4s with the largest V-8 available. That includes GM's new 6.2-L V-8 with six-speed transmission. We'll have level quarter-mile and 7% grade hill climbs.

We hired automotive consulting firm Ricardo Engineering as a neutral third party for vehicle instrumentation, testing and data collection. We spent two days at GM's Milford Proving Grounds with the trucks and one day at Milan Dragway and one day on public roads.

It's going to be one deep, comprehensive and time consuming half-ton comparison. Way bigger than our 2007 Heavy Duty Shootout.

- Mike
 

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Our Half-Ton Shootout is coming November 12.

All the trucks were crew cab 4x4s with the largest V-8 available. That includes GM's new 6.2-L V-8 with six-speed transmission. We'll have level quarter-mile and 7% grade hill climbs.

It's going to be one deep, comprehensive and time consuming half-ton comparison. Way bigger than our 2007 Heavy Duty Shootout.

- Mike
Looking forward to the comparison, you guys do great work.
 
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