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This is the latest in a series of instances why the high mileage vehicles from Europe won't see the light of day here.

From Edmunds: http://blogs.edmunds.com/greencarad...e-in-europe-in-november-not-coming-to-us.html

The reasoning stated by Mark Fields is valid for every maker. Essentially it's about business conditions and competitiveness.

The main one: The Fiesta ECOnetic runs on diesel. American motorists just don't like the stuff, based on memories of diesel-powered cars belching black clouds of exhaust.

Add to that U.S. taxes that make diesel costlier than gasoline, plus America's love affair with Toyota's Prius and other hybrids, and the outlook for diesel -- even clean-diesel -- cars in the States is bleak.

And, at prevailing exchange rates, the Fiesta ECOnetic would sell for about $25,700 in America. By contrast, the Prius retails for $22,000 there.
IMO the 3rd reason is the biggest reason. Who here wants to pay $25000+ for a small 3 door hatch? For we Norte Americano's this price is a midsized Crossover or a very nice midsized auto.

And to drive home the point....
http://blogs.edmunds.com/greencarad...opes-honda-says-fit-hybrid-is-not-for-us.html

Honda won't be bringing the Fit hybrid here either.
 

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Good article......bet it won't stop the throngs of people who keep chanting "bring it here!" when looking at a slick Euro model though........
 

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One of the drawbacks to diesel also is the cost difference to gasoline. Only in America is Diesel more expensive than gas.
 

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Edmunds said:
And, at prevailing exchange rates, the Fiesta ECOnetic would sell for about $25,700 in America. By contrast, the Prius retails for $22,000 there.
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In reality the Prius retails there (in the UK) for between USD $31,709 ~ $36,837

(GBP 17,923 ~ 20,832, source Toyota UK website)

Ford website said:
The wraps came off the 76.3mpg Ford Fiesta ECOnetic – Britain's greenest family car with CO2 emissions of 98g/km. On sale from £11,800 by the end of this year,
(GBP 11,800 = USD $20,865)



Btw it only took me 2 minutes to find out this info so you have to wonder if Edmunds is deliberately disinformational, or simply inept?
 

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^^ This also highlights the pitfalls in attempting to crudely equate & translate vehicle retail price from one country to another, while ignoring local taxes & charges & marketing policies (eg Holden prices vs Pontiac prices)
 

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:fall:

In reality the Prius retails there (in the UK) for between USD $31,709 ~ $36,837

(GBP 17,923 ~ 20,832, source Toyota UK website)


(GBP 11,800 = USD $20,865)



Btw it only took me 2 minutes to find out this info so you have to wonder if Edmunds is deliberately disinformational, or simply inept?
I read that data about the Prius as referring to the US pricing, not the UK.
 

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I read that data about the Prius as referring to the US pricing, not the UK.
Could well be .. but cars are really expensive in the UK at retail level, so why use the UK price of Festiva as a comparitor, while ignoring the UK price of Prius in direct comparison?

Comparing country-to-country retail is pointless. If Edmunds were to use the AU retail price of Commodore for indicators to Pontiac G8 USA prices then you'd have seen nearly USD $50,000 being cited for G8 GT!
 

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One part is, the United States doesn't have that extensive a diesel infrastructure.
Another part is, these diesels aren't 50-state compatible.
Finally, CA is not a major market for diesel due to the particulate emissions. Very few diesels are capable of being sold in the CA market.

And if you don't get the CA market... you might as not well bother...
 

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1. Diesel is as expensive as gasoline (difference are minimal) in many European countries. In some, where the majority vehicles on the road are diesels, it is even more expensive.

2. Those EcoWhatnot models are uber-expensive showcars, not really meant to be sales leaders, but to boost the image of the car and producer.

3. Prices of new cars in Europe include many direct and indirect taxes, e.g. VAT in high teens or low twenties... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_added_tax#EU_States
 
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