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EU automakers are shooting it's ICE automakers cars in the foot with Penalty (euro fines/unit) all 2030.

Not hard to understand EU are heavily fining European car makers based on CO2 emmissions for every ICE car they produce for a couple of years now that's why Ford have pulled the plug on the Fiesta/Focus/Mondeo ICE cars recently, they are now bring in the Euro 7 regulations before 2030 that will hit buses and large lorries as well as cars the Tesla Semi truck will mop up the large truck market, Tesla and the Chinese seem to be raking in the carbon credit money selling it to other automakers to reduce the EO C02 fines..
 

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Western civ, perfecting the art of cutting their own throats.
 

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Companies knew these rules were coming. They had time.

This guy is right though. If car companies can't figure out how to make an affordable car in the introductory segment, then another company will come in and make them.
It means the EU car company isn't structured properly to make it profitable. Or they believe that it will impact their profit margins too significantly.
 

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Western civ, perfecting the art of cutting their own throats.
Just about sums all what's going on correctly very well.

Tesla are making $2 billions again this year doing absolutely nothing, selling carbon credit to the European automakers who are still heavily into offering ICE cars only that are not up to speed with EV's yet.

Chinese automakers mass produced BEV's have arrived in Europe have a 20% stranglehold mostly on the EU mass producers car market that have dragged their feet not been up-to-speed with bringing EV's online fast enough, so the Chinese automakers like Tesla make lots on selling carbon credits, and the Chinese EV's don't get hit with heavy EU C02 yearly annual based fines.

VW & Stellantis Groups are two of the biggest automakers in Europe have not been up to speed with delivering EV's to the market and that sell well, VW/Stellantis are still the biggest C02 based polluters in Europe that the European Union are heavily fining at the moment, they have tried to stop the EU Euro 7 rules coming in and lost that now drag suck all the big trucks & buses and vans into C02 based fines that the European Union are going to rake a shed load of cash in on.

Big lorries that are coming like the new Tesla Semi will rake in boatloads of carbon credits as the European Union want to see 70% more reduction in pollution the next 5 years now under Euro 7 rules that are now going to hit trucks, Euro 7 rules will hit the cars earlier now in 2025 the likes of not up to speed on BEV sales.

VW Group/Stellantis at it's EU home base will still be selling 75% ICE cars that are required to be 70% cleaner pollute less under new Euro 7 rules, their cars won't meet 2025 C02 and N0x targets so they be fined more heavily at the moment VW Group in the chart above getting hit with European Union 2,525 Euro C02 based fines for ICE that breaks EU law, Stelantis group old Fiat FCA were getting fined 3375 Euros & PSA Group Peugeot/Citroen etc were getting hit with 2194 Euro fines, Euro 7 regs will drag in a lot more ICE cars that will be fined after 2025, the EU annual yearly C02 based fines will be phased out 2035 when petrol/gasoline hybrids get banned from showrooms, purely ICE only models get phased out in 2030 here in the UK.

Jato old European Union C02 based fines above were estimating to bring in $34 billion in tax revenue to the EU, the electric Viking says that this will jump to $50 billions once the new Euro 7 rules come into force in 2025, these VW Group & Dutch based car company Stellantis Group BEV sales in 2025 will make up 25% of all it's electric car sales, 75%-80% sales will still be ICE sales, so more of its ICE cars will attract get heavy EU fines.

Whilst Tesla & Chinese BEV get the carbon credits miss the EU fines, and now all the big trucks & buses are getting dragged into the European Union C02 fines.

Can only think EU are right onboard with WEF plans to get people out of cars or just plain stupid, why would you want to bump off your local home-based legacy automakers whose EV's are not up to speed don't sell well locally.

Stupidly runs deep in Europe, Euro 7 regulations will rolled out in all European citires Ultra Low Emission Zones next that will virtually ban all ICE cars next of the roads, you can see it coming next,

Yes cutting throats that what the powers to be want in Europe, want to tax the masses plebs out of car ownership, you will have to move closer to work.
 

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Companies knew these rules were coming. They had time.

This guy is right though. If car companies can't figure out how to make an affordable car in the introductory segment, then another company will come in and make them.
It means the EU car company isn't structured properly to make it profitable. Or they believe that it will impact their profit margins too significantly.
Yes absolutely spot-on.

When you look at just the BEV European automakers market share in Q2 the European luxury car makers with the buyers wallets that match expensive electric car better are doing much better than VW the mass producers market share.

Q2 2022 European Owned Automakers BEV market share
Mercedes Benz 9.2% BEV market share
BMW 9.1% BEV market share
VW 6.2% BEV market share

Looks like mass producer VW won't be the best selling local European owned automaker in the future, VW have a lot of EV models nobody is buying them in large numbers in BEV form, luxury European owned low volume luxury car buyers with the wallets to match want the luxury brands cars more. Chinese automakers have only just arrived already 20% European Union BEV market share, and are eating VW market share BEV cake.

Legacy automakers like VW have not got a clue how to mass produce EV's as efficiently the average Tesla worker does in Germany, the Chinese have only just arrived with small cars that are already eating 20% of mass produced BEV sales in Europe both VW Group/ Dutch Stellantis Group EV mass producers market share can't match.
 
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