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Dang that sucks. I wonder if regular CTS sales are good.....if GM will change their minds? I know they cite Europeans not wanting an engine that big....but why not let the Europeans be the judge of that?
 

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Caddy's U.S. minders don't think the V's blown V8 is good for Europe.
The LS is not good enough for Europe?
Or the LS won't meet European emissions standards?
Or the LS sucks up so much gas that at $9/gallon, the CTS-V would be a non-seller.

Well... guess what GM... What do you think the CTS-V is supposed to be?
It's supposed to be for filthy rich people who don't get a damn about gas prices and want the best and fastest car out there.
Getting a CTS-V in Europe is the best way to make an impact.
Big, brash American V8 luxury sedan to run with the M5.

We know a RHD CTS-V is technically not possible because of the engine. But a LHD CTS-V should have no problem in Europe.

What's GM's stupid reason this time around?

Give it up Cadillac. You will NEVER be the standard of the world. You will NEVER make an impact in Europe. You will NEVER be more than a 2nd tier luxury brand.
 

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The LS is not good enough for Europe?
Or the LS won't meet European emissions standards?
Or the LS sucks up so much gas that at $9/gallon, the CTS-V would be a non-seller.

Well... guess what GM... What do you think the CTS-V is supposed to be?
It's supposed to be for filthy rich people who don't get a damn about gas prices and want the best and fastest car out there.
Getting a CTS-V in Europe is the best way to make an impact.
Big, brash American V8 luxury sedan to run with the M5.

We know a RHD CTS-V is technically not possible because of the engine. But a LHD CTS-V should have no problem in Europe.

What's GM's stupid reason this time around?

Give it up Cadillac. You will NEVER be the standard of the world. You will NEVER make an impact in Europe. You will NEVER be more than a 2nd tier luxury brand.
GM management used their superior foresight and planning skills the same one that had them put all of their money in trucks and SUVs and laugh at hybrids and would rather sell 10,000 pound SUV then make some RWD V-8 Impalas.
 

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Gm Is Trading The Cts-v For A Cts-f F For Fail. What The Hell Is Going On With The Management Of Gm. This Is What Europe Needs A Kick In The But To Show Them That American Muscle Is Back. Cts-v And Cts-v Couple Is The Answer. And Besides We All Know The Rich People In Europe Would Get Their Hands On This Car First, It Would Be An Option And Would Fit In Perfect With M5,amg And Audi But Cost Less It's A No Brainer. Gm Wake Up, Wake Up Wake Up!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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GM management used their superior foresight and planning skills the same one that had them put all of their money in trucks and SUVs and laugh at hybrids and would rather sell 10,000 pound SUV then make some RWD V-8 Impalas.
Nah, they spent all the money making hybrids of said SUVs and then canceling all the performance cars in the process.
 

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The LS is not good enough for Europe?
Or the LS won't meet European emissions standards?
Or the LS sucks up so much gas that at $9/gallon, the CTS-V would be a non-seller.

Well... guess what GM... What do you think the CTS-V is supposed to be?
It's supposed to be for filthy rich people who don't get a damn about gas prices and want the best and fastest car out there.
Getting a CTS-V in Europe is the best way to make an impact.
Big, brash American V8 luxury sedan to run with the M5.

We know a RHD CTS-V is technically not possible because of the engine. But a LHD CTS-V should have no problem in Europe.

What's GM's stupid reason this time around?

Give it up Cadillac. You will NEVER be the standard of the world. You will NEVER make an impact in Europe. You will NEVER be more than a 2nd tier luxury brand.
Isn't the Corvette on sale in Europe? But then, it has a legendary reputation, and is an American cultural icon.

The CTS-V probably wouldn't make sense in the United Kingdom, since they have the VXR8 there, but Europe...perhaps they are scared of it failing, and it would be a much more expensive failure than the BLS. Cars at that price sell on image, and aside from the BLS, probably not many Europeans are familiar with Cadillac. They are familiar with BMW.
 

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Isn't the Corvette on sale in Europe? But then, it has a legendary reputation, and is an American cultural icon.

The CTS-V probably wouldn't make sense in the United Kingdom, since they have the VXR8 there, but Europe...perhaps they are scared of it failing, and it would be a much more expensive failure than the BLS. Cars at that price sell on image, and aside from the BLS, probably not many Europeans are familiar with Cadillac. They are familiar with BMW.
Corvette is on sale in Europe. It sells based on its reputation.

CTS-V would make absolute sense in the UK, even if the VXR8 was there or not.
This is a Cadillac. This is GM's FLAGSHIP BRAND.
If GM sees CTS-V as competition to a Vauxhall VXR8, then we have a serious problem at GM regarding Cadillac's stature. It's not about performance or the engine, but the fact that this is Cadillac and GM's Flagship Brand.

We know that CTS-V is not capable of being RHD due to the engine and space constraints. That's fine. But there are other countries that are LHD. There is no reason for CTS-V to NOT be in countries like Germany.

If Cadillac wants to regain stature, it needs to sell its entire lineup around the world.
There really is no good excuse for CTS-V to not be sold in European countries that are LHD.
 

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I repeat once again:
GM finally has to start to engineer all their cars to be sold worldwide. Engineering costs are too high to make a car available on only one market. Why Cadillac in Europe failed so far is the problem of having not enough dealers, their cars are too expensive, there is almost no advertising and they lack a Diesel option (except BLS). The CTS-V could do some hype for the brand in Europe. But everyone here (in Germany) is so afraid of fuel costs and emissions that it could be that GM will keep its gas guzzler image that they have here. If this is the reason GM doesn´t want to sell the CTS-V here I can understand them. But they really should bring more cars over here for a competitive price and with a Diesel Option (Lambda; Malibu; Lucerne).
 

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I echo the general sentiment of this thread. The CTS-V should be available in Europe, if even in a limited number. Even a small shipment of 30 - 50, for whatever dealers want them.
Fastest production sedan in the world, sounds like it would sell, if even just to a few.
 

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They should have alloted just 200 units for Europe, and made a killing by adding American Deliverly at the GM Engine facility, plus an addational US$30,000.00 to US prices. GM is soo silly. The CTS V meets california emmission. Those are more stringent than EU
 

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Is GM ruining cadillac attentional or are they just stupid?:confused:
So for now cadillac cts will offer 3 engine in europe...diesel and two v6. And they want to compete against german trio . Does GM even know what German companies are offering here?
 

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Whoever buys GM needs to spend a billion or two just on a super Cadillac if Caddy is ever to be taken seriously. Maybe stretch the new V8 4.5 Diesel to a V12 6.75 Twin Turbo Bio-Diesel to make it Euro-Green
Unfortunately the money is not available to do that. Remember the Cadillac is a niche product. What GM wants are vehicles that can compete with VW , Mercedes, BMW, Renault etc on their own turf and are sold profitably in WESTERN EUROPE as well as Eastern Europe.
 

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What's GM's stupid reason this time around?

Give it up Cadillac. You will NEVER be the standard of the world. You will NEVER make an impact in Europe. You will NEVER be more than a 2nd tier luxury brand.
To understand, you need to let go of your long term "brand" thinking and put on a GM "short term profit" filter:

Just as it costs money to federalize a car, it costs money to certify one for sale in the EU.

If Cadillac is selling every one they make in the USA, they've already spent the money to Federalize the car, so if they make 5000 cars and it cost $5 Million to run all the federal tests, each car is carrying ~$1000 of that cost.

If they tried to sell this is Europe and wound up selling ~100 cars there, and it cost them another $5 Million to certify them for sale in the EU, each of those cars carries a $50,000 burden, that eats into GM's profit and forces them to spend an additional $5 Million dollars up front.

If they sell 1000 cars in Europe, they still have to spend $5 Million up front, the burden drops to $5,000, and they take CTS-Vs out of the American market.

1. GM doesn't really have the money to throw around anymore (even if it makes a good long term brand equity investment).

2. European and Japanese marques do this all the time. Has anyone tried to buy an RS-6 or a Crown V-12? Could have thrown the GT-R into that pile until a couple weeks ago...

3. A lot of Americans are selfishly hoping these sell for close to sticker here, so any move that reduces local supply is bad.

STANDARD OF THE WORLD? This company is being run by second year business school dropouts (or the accountants on the board are calling the shots now, which will have the same effect)...
 

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Cadillac will never be anything in Europe with GM's inept management. I have to believe this has something to do with the catastrophic failure of the BLS.
I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that you probably don't have all the factors in this decision. So many people want GM to sell everything everywhere, but what would that cost? What are the possible returns?

It probably makes sense to establish Cadillac as a viable high-end brand in Europe before asking the Europeans to pay double for a high-performance model.
 

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Sucks when you dont have money. If GM had the cash flow, I think they would do it. But yes, GM would have to cough up some serious money to get the CTS-V certified for EU. And for the few thousand they will sell...
Do you see an RS6 anymore? Just like a lot of cars are shut out of the American market, we are shutting some other people out from our goodies.
We can still take a CTS-V over there and show them how its done.
 
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