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I hate to tell you, but it's more than just ICE that create CO2. And if you desire zero CO2 production--a physical impossibility even with totalitarian bureaucrat assistance--nobody will be around to see the ice cinder that Muvver Earff has become.

Check Chyyynnnaaa's methods of power production. They like COAL! Imagine that! :rolleyes: They and India and the Rooskies and all the world's Bad Guys don't give a tinker's damn about CO2. But they're happy to watch Western Civilization destroy itself.

And CO2 is good, not bad. And if you think "warming" is bad, try out cooling for size. But we're in the middle of an 800 year warming trend, thank God, and Life Is Good. Until and if the totalitarians gain more control.
This is a classic straw man argument. Nobody with the sense God gave red brick believes that you can eliminate CO2 production. The problem is that the Industrial Revolution brought on the creation of CO2 at rates too high for nature to compensate. As a result, atmospheric concentration of CO2 has skyrocketed.
 

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OMG!! I hate to tell you, but cats do what cats were designed by God to do. You know, like humans?
Cats are what's known as predators. I'm certain you learned that in sixth grade physics class. They're like wolves, sharks, many whales, many many fish species. And birds. And reptiles. Reptiles kill animals too!!! And mammals!! Mammals kill!! Do you hate all life on earth? If so, Muvver Earff will not be pleased with you. Because death is a way of life.

How many critters go to the slaughterhouse every year to feed hoomans? Do you hate hoomans? Take a slaughterhouse tour some time.

But thanks so much for your observations and insights! I had no idea you were so deep. :geek:

BTW, you forgot bugs. Cats kill bugs too. I've seen it happen. One of our cats terminated a fly just last night. It was horrible!! The blood! The gore!! The algore!!
So you never learned the difference between physics and biology? Explains a lot.
 

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I totally agree. I remember when America tried to improve itself, when polluting was seen as wrong and it was one of the many "American duties" we had to not trash the place. Now, if you DON'T dump your old motor oil on the ground you're a Socialist. When did it become politically motivated to pick up after yourself or not poison the water table? We politicize trash for Pete's sake. Ugh.
The irony here is that American conservationists and environmentalists used to be drawn from the ranks of conservatives and America's conservative political party.
 

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Have you met the U.S. federal Government??

They enact a simple scenario, like creating a toll to pay for road construction... they achieve that... then continue the toll for another 50 or 75 years (no one knows- no tolls have ever been discontinued). Big Gov't doesn't have any remote idea what 'reaching a goal' is.
I am not aware of a single toll road under the control of the US Federal Government. The Federal Government supports roads and highways through the Federal gasoline tax that you pay when you purchase fuel. It is the states that charge tolls on bridges, roads, and highways.
 

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A floodplain
So mistaken.

In my state, residents near the Gulf Coast are now being evacuated because homes that they moved intro 40 years ago are now perpetually underwater. It is not only my home state and it is not only in the United States. Within the United States, numerous Government agencies at the state and Federal level are working like Trojans to address the effects of global climate change. One major consequence of global climate change is rising sea levels. The US Department of Defense has numerous military bases on the coasts of the US and other nations around the globe. These bases will be submerged by rising sea levels in just a few decades. If the Pentagon cannot find ways to stem the tide, then its endangered military bases will have to be moved.
 

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Land sublimation. Much of what is claimed to be sea level rise is actually coastal land sinking.
Yes, land sublimation is a real thing and a serious problem in the Mississippi River flood plain below Baton Rouge. It is causes primarily by the levies on the west bank of the river that are intended to prevent the flooding of homes and businesses. For the most part, those levies did their job. However, those floods deposited new silt that compensated for the compaction of the existing soil. That is no longer being done except when the levies overtop.

As strange as it may seem, more than one thing can be true at the same time. The flooding of the Mississippi River coastsl delta is a tragedy for those who lived there, but it is a relatively minor tragedy in the grander scheme of things. After the levies in New Orleans breached following Hurricane Katrina, the East Bank of the Mississippi River flooded, most notably the Lower Ninth Ward of New Orleans. The Lower Ninth Ward is below sea level. Along much of the Mississippi's length, however, the elevation of the East Bank is higher than the elevation of the West Bank. However, we have recently seen massive floods on the East Bank north of New Orleans. Baton Rouge has been flooded. A few years ago, I had the opportunity to flew across the State of Mississippi beginning on the East Bank just north of Vicksburg. The Mississippi River had overflowed. For miles and miles, I saw no dry land. All land was covered in flood waters. Many homes were inundated in water up to their rafters.

It is going to get worse. Current predictions are that virtually all of our current coastal lands will be underwater by 2050. Because most of our major cities are either on the Coast or a coastal plain, this means that 10 millions of American residents will be forced to move on to new homes that are currently inland. If this happens, then the Mississippi River will become an inland sea that separates the US East from West. The fishermen displaced from their homes in the Mississippi River Delta will have a lot of company. The entire state will be under water--save one parish (county).
 

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😵Self destructive self-righteousness. I've stopped asking, "How is it possible for people to be this stupid?" They just are. The blind leading the blind, they both shall fall into the ditch.


Disaster sells books, it sells papers. Algore went from one million net worth when he left office in 2001 to $300 million today. Wonder how that happened to a poor simple farm kid who was plowing the hillsides behind a mule when he was a young Jethro Bodine hick.

Here's a sample:

21. 2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
22. 2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
23. 2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
24. 2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
25. 2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
26. 2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015 (additional link)
27. 2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’
28. 1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
29. 1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
30. 1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
31. 1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
32. 1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 1990s
33. 1980: Peak Oil In 2000
34. 1996: Peak Oil in 2020
35. 2002: Peak Oil in 2010

36. 2006: Super Hurricanes!
37. 2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015
38. 1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
39. 1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
40. 1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
41. 1970s: Killer Bees!

Update: I’ve added 9 additional failed predictions (via Real Climate Science) below to make it an even 50 for the number of failed eco-pocalyptic doomsday predictions over the last 50 years.

42. 1975: The Cooling World and a Drastic Decline in Food Production
43. 1969: Worldwide Plague, Overwhelming Pollution, Ecological Catastrophe, Virtual Collapse of UK by End of 20th Century
44. 1972: Pending Depletion and Shortages of Gold, Tin, Oil, Natural Gas, Copper, Aluminum
45. 1970: Oceans Dead in a Decade, US Water Rationing by 1974, Food Rationing by 1980
46. 1988: World’s Leading Climate Expert Predicts Lower Manhattan Underwater by 2018
Among the many tactics employed by climate change deniers is to fixate on "failed predictions" made by interested laymen rather than the actual state of the science. It is remarkable to see many "failed predictions" on the list above to be problems that we have been dealing with for years. But, of course, your list comes from the American Enterprise Institute, hardly a science organization.

Probably the one the really grinds my gears is the inclusion of Super Hurricanes! on the list. Have you been living under a rock? Hurricane season runs from June 1 to November 30. Historically, hurricanes are been most numerous at the end of summer to early fall. However, we are now seeing more storms, more powerful storms, and storms that develop over a broader swath of the calendar. I almost forgot--we see hurricanes in regions of the country that were unheard of when I was a kid.

Traditionally, hurricanes were storms that US residents in the Gulf South and Florida dealt with. Hurricane Sandy devastated New Jersey--not Mississippi--New Jersey! Now northern states like New Jersey and New York face the real risk of hurricanes. Back in the day, the worst risk to states in Mid-Atlantic and points north were the remnants of hurricanes that had devastated Texas, Louisiana, or Mississippi.

In 2020, we face so many hurricanes that we ran out of primary names. We had to use Greek letters. Hurricane Zeta was the third of three devastating hurricanes that struck Louisiana. I have friends there who were without power for months. Many were without power and water for protracted periods of time.

This is the year 2022. It is still very early in the hurricane season. However, the tropics are already active. For the first time in my memory, I saw a Pacific low pressure system cross Central America/Mexico into the Gulf of Mexico to form a tropical storm. It did not form a hurricane until the storm crossed over Florida into the Atlantic Ocean.

That AEI list is just part of a political screed to you. These are not threats that you understand. The victims are not people that you know. So why not?

Have fun.
 

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So, tell us, what happened to peak oil, now, Even Somalia and Sudan, Uganda produce their own oil. Saudi Arabia uncover a lot more oil, and apparently, nitrogen is good for plants.

You see, you entangle your science with the politics. Then you cannot see when you are being played.
So you think that recitation of facts is being played? This explains why you people never ever post links to governmental or academic scientific websites on climate change.
 

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I think science is science, politics is politics.
When politics politicize science, we all suffer.
we barely understand how the Globe regulates it’s temperatures, is it good to be environmentally friendly in how we live, of course it is.

Should we give up National sovereignty and liberty for an evolving study of global climate No.

You claim to be objective, yet you denied all the facts about Scietific goal posts moving about over the last 50 years to achieve political goals.

If you don‘T weigh that into your analysis, you are a fact denier.


A common thread amongst all political ideologies that commit genocide is first and foremost, dehumanising people it considers a threat to its political goals.

Right now, we have witnessed a dehumanising of Trump and anyone who agrees with his political positions, be it trade,foreign policy, or domestic industrial policy.

I find it difficult to see good will in anyone that participate’s in dehumanising fellow citizens
For all of your blather, you make one thing abundantly clear. That is that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Of the many things that you and your fellow climate change deniers don't get is that the body of scientific knowledge changes. You whine that "scientific goal posts" have moved over the past 50 years. Let is leave aside the fact that there is no such thing as a "scientific goal post" in this sense. Scientific knowledge increase exponentially. Over the past 50 years, scientific and technical knowledge has doubled multiple times. Another way to measure scientific knowledge is to count the numbers of articles published by scientists each year. In 1970, that number was about 300 thousand. In 2020 some 50 years later, that number is about 2.5 million. Many of these papers confirmed the results published earlier. A few of them contradicted earlier publications. Most of them were new results.

It never ceases to amaze me that you people have convinced yourselves that scientists are in the business of telling the poor uninformed how to live their lives. They are not. Scientists in academia are in the business of securing grant awards to maintain their labs and to support their students. Holding on to their jobs is no small goal in this regard. Scientists in government do much much of the same type of work as their colleagues in academia--in certain agencies that is. In mission-oriented agencies like NASA, they work for years if not decades to ensure the success of each mission. Scientists in industry are working to ensure that their employers have the knowledge and technology to remain competitive. There was a time when many industrial scientists engaged in much of the same type of work as their academic and governmental colleagues.

In my earlier post, I said that you people never ever post information from scientific journals to support your assertions. Now, you have posted a phrase of your own creation, "scientific goal posts," followed by incoherent babbling. You assert, but you do not support your position. One of your favorite assertions is that scientists at some time in the mythical past claimed that the planet was suffering from global cooling. Scientists live in the present and work toward the future. Even if the consensus of scientific opinion had been that the planet was threatened by global cooling, that has not been the consensus opinion for several decades now. Science does not allow updated information veto the best knowledge currently available. That said, I don't know where you were 50 years ago, but I do know where I was. I was a college student who was taking notice of the fact that my environment was subtly warming.
 

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I know you consider yourself as ‘understanding’ the science.

yet you seem not to grasp the very basic concept that Science and politics are two separate lanes.

No one is ‘opposed to science’


What people are opposed to is the politicisation of science and using it as a pretext to curtail liberty and centralise ppower amongst global elites, specifically the world economic Forum Politburo.

Is this too difficult to comprehend?
I don't know here you have been, but there are plenty of people who are opposed to science. The most famous example was the Scopes Monkey Trial. That said, there are numerous people today who are opposed to science. Within the last day or so, I have seen on this forum attacks on Dr. Anthony Fauci, a worldwide scientific and medical hero. You and people like you oppose the very idea of global climate change.

Why do you oppose this idea with such ferocity? You oppose it to show your felty to the American Rightwing.
 

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Dr; Fauci is not the hero the left makes him out to be. He has a deeper darker side in cahoots with cohorts and with the WHO and their one world order mentality.
Oh, please:rolleyes: Fauci has been around since the Reagan Administration. The American Right reveals itself when it asserts that a man who rose to prominence as a Presidential Advisor to the Gipper owes his prominence to the Left. Does this mean that Ronald Reagan was some kind of libtard?

No, you hate Fauci because the Orange Man grew to hate him. But the Orange Man hates just about anyone and everyone who knows more than he. That's nearly everyone.
 

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Why do you hate Orange man.

Ascended Fauci dug his own grave by asking people to mask 5 year olds then being seen at baseball games laughing without a mask with his budddies.

Orange man was not there.
I don't hate the Orange man. I never met him. He is, however, a criminal as the 1/6 Select Committee hearings are making abundantly clear.

As for Dr. Anthony Fauci, he is a man who has dedicated his life to the health and safety of the American People. Unlike the Orange man, he did not BS followers into believing that they were invulnerable to the deadliest pandemic in a century, rejecting health and safety measures, and contracting the disease. Yes, the final words of many of the followers of your boy were "I don't have COVID."
 

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The Condescending tone towards Orange man and people that vote for him is so telling.

Would you explain why the Democrats never held hearings on Antifa and BLM. BLM alone is responsible for over 9 police deaths in riots and countless more injuries Over 2020. Election intimidation creates an environment that undermines integrity of elections. At least that is what the British high commissioner in my country of origin says. So does the Carter Center.

ANTIFA is clearly a violent extremist criminal group.

In addition, why has congress, which doesn’t have any criminal investigation powers not held hearings on the failures that led to covid becoming a disaster that it became Under Faucis dedication?

I cannot speak to Faucis greatness, ascended or not, he seems to have politicised his position. There is a lot more to Fauci than baseball
I am certain you have followed the tie ups between his agency and the Wuhan lab gain a function research into coronavirus that is illegal under US law.

I am not alleging criminal activity. I am just contending that I there are things congress needs to clear up so that Fauci can truly ascend
Earth to mbukukanyau. Donald John Trump, Sr. was head of one of the three branches of Government of the United States of America. He staged a failed internal coup following his 2020 reelection loss. Congress has the oversight authority of the Executive Branch of the Government as per the Constitution of the United States of America. Antifa is an abbreviation for antifascist. The biggest antifascist organization in history was the combined armed forces of the Allies during World War II. BLM is an abbreviation for Black Lives Matter. As an organization, Black Lives Matter is small group of young college educated black women to the best of my knowledge. They may be few in number, but they scare the bejeebers out of certain people to whom black lives do not matter.

But the important thing mbukukanyau is that neither antifa nor Black Lives Matter is a part of the Government. Congress has no Constitutional oversight authority over them. On the other hand, if Congress had failed to exercise its oversight authority over Donald John Trump, Sr, then the failed internal coup of January 6, 2021 would have been looked back upon as practice.
 

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Clearly, Donald Trump took a strong lead on Covid and right from the start, he told us that he downplayed it because he didn’t want to alarm people, so he pretty much controlled Fauci and the other health advisers to say what Trump wanted, that the virus would just go away and everything would go back to normal.

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What color is the sky on your planet? Here on Earth Prime, our sky is blue.

Our President Trump was a disaster as the COVID pandemic built up a head of steam. There were so many things that he did to make things worse. One the most heartbreaking things was his response to governors' pleas for personal protection equipment (PPE). He rebuffed them--telling them to locate vendors and purchase the PPE out of their state budgets. Instead of the Federal Government working with the states to coordinate purchases on life-saving equipment that was in short supply, Trump forces the states to bid against each other, raising the price for everyone.

To make matters worse, if a state identified a source of PPE and arranged shipment, the Trump would have the Federal Government to swoop in and confiscate it. However, one governor said "No"--emphatically. That governor was Gov. Larry Hogan (R,MD). The State of Maryland had to run the same gauntlet that other states had run to purchase PPE and have it delivered. However, Hogan did something that no governor had done up to that point. He sent the Maryland National Guard to meet the shipment of PPE and to protect it from Federal confiscation.

The early days of the COVID pandemic here in the USA on Earth Prime was a frightening time.
 
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