[roteague]

there is nothing wrong with MT 's review..
as they use a camry SE V6 in the test
while all others use XLE/LE

SE V6 camry is just a much better version of camry in my own eye
(cough...... yes I do own a camry SE V6, and i do sell Camry ,
i do always recommand my customer getting the SE model instead of LE/XLE.)

I'm sorry. I hope you have considered a change of employment.

 

[blank disk]

I recall several comparo's that had the Fusion beating the Camry and doing well against the Accord. That was a few years ago. Fusion is about to take it up a notch or two. Malibu will have even more competition soon.

 

[AMERICA 123]

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Oh don't worry , it already has and it will continue to do so...

How so? Honda moved 25.7% more Accords in 11/07 at 28,161 than 11/06, (the last month sales results are available), and sales at that point were up 10.4% at 360,976 for the YTD. For the same month using Camry figures, sales were best-ever November at 35,409 units, and for the year sales totalled 434,277 (+5.8%). By comparison, Malibu sales in November '07 were 7,210, which were off -12.5%, while YTD saw sales at that point off 23.8% to 116,140 units. Now, the Malibu may have been "gaining momentum" and "waiting for full production to take effect," but the sales results don't suggest that Malibu was stealing anyone's thunder: Accord and Camry were up, Malibu was down. Of course, that may change in the coming months-and hopefully it will-but as of 10:20 pm EST 01/02/08, there's insufficient evidence of that.

Amongst other things (many) you need to bust out (for everybody) '07s vs. '08s .

That gets into proprietary issues - don't worry , sometime down the road it'll come up .

Today was a great day if you wanted to buy GM stock .

 

[GM-Joe]

Seems to be a fair review. But on the other hand: I have only seen one Camry, a hybrid in top end trim that looked any good, and the Accord's nose is a bit too long and the truck is too pug. I think the Malibu is going to look fine, not only is it competitive, but it is nice to look at!

 

[1487]

Did you guys watch the video at all? It said that the cars were within a mere 5 points of each other in the finishing order. Theres no bias here, just a very close competition.

not really. Accord had worse mileage, worse ride, less features than Malibu and less style and yet it finished in first place because of its steering. Sorry, but steering feel is not a key attribute that concerns family sedan buyers. Styling, price, performance and warranty count a lot more than steering feel and the Malibu wins in all those categories.

 

[1487]

I don't believe this review was biased, and if it was biased, it was probably not biased by much. Both the Malibu and the Accord are legitimate competitors for the midsize class. Much of the midsize segment buyers can care less about looks, but more about how the car functions as a daily driver, almost like an appliance. Even Edmunds pointed out that it was close between the Malibu and Accord, and on the second page a Edmunds editor choose the Malibu over the Accord.

edmunds made it clear the Accord won easily so lets not act like they stated it was a toss up between the Accord and Malibu. They said if the Accord had a few more options it would have trounced the Malibu by double digits. There is no objective reason for the Accord to finish first. It has more hp and weighs 200lbs less and has a 5 speed auto and got WORSE mileage than the Malibu and was only .2secs faster to 60mph. Stop with the excuses for Edmunds, the Malibu should have won but they have been worshipping the 2008 Accord since they first tested it months ago. If you think the 6 speed would have changed the results you are wrong, the Accord won because of its steering feel and subjective handling advantage.

 

[Avalanche13]

The Malibu is for sure the best looking of the 3 !!

Edmunds agrees with you

"Don't hate me because I'm beautiful," said the Malibu to the Accord and Camry.

 

[Avalanche13]

edmunds made it clear the Accord won easily so lets not act like they stated it was a toss up between the Accord and Malibu. They said if the Accord had a few more options it would have trounced the Malibu by double digits. There is no objective reason for the Accord to finish first. It has more hp and weighs 200lbs less and has a 5 speed auto and got WORSE mileage than the Malibu and was only .2secs faster to 60mph. Stop with the excuses for Edmunds, the Malibu should have won but they have been worshipping the 2008 Accord since they first tested it months ago. If you think the 6 speed would have changed the results you are wrong, the Accord won because of its steering feel and subjective handling advantage.

Accord won because its the sportiest. Reviewers like to play NASCAR in their family transportation apparently.

 

[68CoupeDeVille]

"It's annoying to have a manual seatback recline lever alongside power height and fore/aft adjusters"

this is referring to the malibu. Am I the only person that hates waiting for a power recline feature? If i want to lay back i would rather reach down and pull a level than reach down and finger a button for 20 seconds while the back lowers

You're not alone. I hate getting into a rental and waiting... waiting... waiting... for the seat to move where I want it.

 

[tgagneguam]

Amongst other things (many) you need to bust out (for everybody) '07s vs. '08s .

That gets into proprietary issues - don't worry , sometime down the road it'll come up .

Today was a great day if you wanted to buy GM stock .

My above post nicely supports my point, though if you have privilege to information that Malibu is indeed stealing sales from the Accord or Camry, I'd love to see it. I think it's important that this car do just that: steal sales from those to whom GM handed the family sedan market. Thus far, it doesn't look like it's happening, despite your reassurances. Again, love to see it happening, but nothing I've read or seen suggests that's occuring-yet-in any appreciable fashion. I do hope that changes... soon.

 

[Al465]

I don't think the Malibu will steel any sales from either the Accord or Camry. It is certainly a much improved vehicle,however, it has only managed to catch up, not leap ahead of the competition. The arrival of the 6-speed in the 4 cylinder will certainly help if it will be available in the base and LT models. The Malibu has been available for two months now and I am yet to see one on the road. New Accords are all over the place. What gives?

I guess you don't believe any of the reviews or your living in a cave. It did more than catchup, it is superior in many ways!!

 

[bigtime]

Chevrolets hurdle is in making a car that lasts and leaves a positive impression like an accord. For the most part 5 year old accords are still tight, reliable, and still retain some decent value. Not true for the old mailbus. Go out to a used car lot and drive a 5 year old toyota, honda, and chevrolet - back to back. Thats the difference. Don't get me wrong I am a big GM fan, its just for years this has been the case. Its going to take time to turn that perception around. It a reputation the japanese have built over the past 35 years. GM spent much of that time building crap. The truth hurts.

 

[GXP Lover]

Okay, admittedly, I haven't read all the posts in this thread. This is one thing I thought funny:
"Evidently, those extra inches went to the backseat, as the Camry has the most rear legroom. Thanks to careful exhaust packaging, the Toyota also has a hump-free rear floor, making it easier to stuff three co-workers in back on carpool days."

Now, the reason I found this funny is the thing I HATE most (well, maybe second most, after the sterle driving feel) is the way the exhaust hangs down so low under the car. I swear that it is its defining road clearance. I hate driving behind a Camery and seeing such an obvious oversight in engineering while EVERY other car manufacturer does a nice job of hiding it.

Okay. Alright. I got that off my chest. I feel better now.

 

[GXP Lover]

Hehe. This is another funny comment:

"Honda has taken flak for using hard plastic on the top of the 2008 Accord's dash, but in reality, these cabin furnishings are best in class."

Apparently, only the reviewer at Edmunds is in reality...

Overall, a good review. I thought it was interesting the comment about the "family" reviewers were split between the Accord and Malibu, while ignoring the Camry. This bodes well for GM, if it can get people into the vehicle...

 

[Gm786]

I don't believe this review was biased, and if it was biased, it was probably not biased by much. Both the Malibu and the Accord are legitimate competitors for the midsize class. Much of the midsize segment buyers can care less about looks, but more about how the car functions as a daily driver, almost like an appliance. Even Edmunds pointed out that it was close between the Malibu and Accord, and on the second page a Edmunds editor choose the Malibu over the Accord.

I'm not trying to say that the new Honda Accord is a bad car or anything like that but what I am trying to say is that the new Chevy Malibu in the comparison is the better car all around in terms of performance, luxury, safety, and value in my opinion. :yup:

 

[Gm786]

Accord won because its the sportiest. Reviewers like to play NASCAR in their family transportation apparently.

I don't think so. The Honda Accord won the comparison because it's a HONDA. Edmund's and Car and Driver have a thing for Honda you know.......