[bmwboy2007]

That’s a novel idea. And do I just pretend there isn’t a $20k difference in price, not to mention dealer markups on the BW?

Why not simply try the automatic 10 speed? You still have the option of shifting manually.

 

[BlackGTP]

It was a 35 ft/lb increase. Went from 260 ft/lb to 295 ft/lb.

Thanks! I couldn't quite remember, but it was very noticeable every time I got an ATS loaner with the upgraded engine vs. the one in my '13. Plus, it was smoother too.

 

[tripowergto Jan2003]

Why not simply try the automatic 10 speed? You still have the option of shifting manually.

You're not serious are you? They don't compare viscerally whatsoever.

 

[dannyg]

I've been shopping CT4-V BW's extensively of late. There's far too many black and white ones available(BORING) but MSRP can be had fairly readily if you're willing to travel a bit. It would be fortunate to find a stick with a few options for under $70K, especially if you desire an actual color. If I could find a near "base" BW 6spd for just over $60k in an acceptable hue I might bite.

Just for fun I keep an eye on Herb Chambers Caddy in Mass because they seem to actually get BWs on a fairly regular basis. Their cheapest one currently is a black base model around $67K, the most expensive is a very nice special-edition Watkins Glen in blue for $86K...but all are automatics.

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I hope you find a stick BW somewhere, they seem to be tough to find!

 

[tripowergto Jan2003]

I sat in and started this BW at my nearest dealer. They were at MSRP 2 months ago. I bet there is some wiggle room if I was willing to accept a black automatic but I won't. Salesman said the owner refuses to stock any sticks. It's worth noting the 10spd auto is a $2275 option so a low $60k stick is possible yet no one orders one that way.

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www.rjburnecadillac.com

 

[dannyg]

I sat in and started this BW at my nearest dealer. They were at MSRP 2 months ago. I bet there is some wiggle room if I was willing to accept a black automatic but I won't. Salesman said the owner refuses to stock any sticks. It's worth noting the 10spd auto is a $2275 option so a low $60k stick is possible yet no one orders one that way.

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www.rjburnecadillac.com

I guess the owner doesn't read R&T, around 40% of CT4-BW are stick:

Cadillac's Manual Blackwings Prove Popular

The take rate for the manual on the CT4-V Blackwing is around 40 percent, and that figure rises to 50 percent for the CT5-V Blackwing.

www.roadandtrack.com

Maybe all the sticks are pre-ordered, they never make it into inventory or on the websites?

 

[6cylinder]

Hopefully GM addresses the NVH issues that 2.0L LSY and 2.7L L3B engines have unfortunately become infamous for.

This is needed more than power boosts. But they have a mild hybrid version of the 2.0T they use in China. Supposedly, the mild hybrid version has much better NVH. Perhaps that can be the new entry level engine.

While more power is desirable, better NVH is more important.

NVH expectations seems very subjective. More like 'not the right kind of NVH', for trucks either. It used to be said an L4 at 2.0 or less didn't need the balance shafts, but both of these have them.

I was curious enough to read online CT4V reviews for more than a general complaint. There's a group of not liking the inline 4 sound/exhaust, or the noise cancellation, or engine soundtrack. One mentioned feeling starter/fire-up torque. And then a whistling wastegate (meant blow-off valve?). I didn't find an AFM mode complaint.

 

[hoser]

With a little leg work, you can find them for sticker or slightly below. If you can't afford the Cadillac, you can order a Camaro with a stick for under 30k.

I can’t seem to find any Camaros with the Sedan option. . . . .

 

[hoser]

Why not simply try the automatic 10 speed? You still have the option of shifting manually.

Because I will not own an automatic car. “Manually” shifting an automatic is not even remotely close to comparable to rowing your own.

 

[bmwboy2007]

Because I will not own an automatic car. “Manually” shifting an automatic is not even remotely close to comparable to rowing your own.

Well.. it's not exactly the same, since there's no clutch pedal, but it's kind of the same thing, no? I mean, you're controlling the shift points.. And unless you simply like having to exercise your left foot, what are you giving up?

 

[tripowergto Jan2003]

Well.. it's not exactly the same, since there's no clutch pedal, but it's kind of the same thing, no? I mean, you're controlling the shift points.. And unless you simply like having to exercise your left foot, what are you giving up?

There's a HUGE difference in the effort of physically rowing through the gears and feeling the meshing of the actual gears, apposed to pushing a button like a video game.

 

[bmwboy2007]

There's a HUGE difference in the effort of physically rowing through the gears and feeling the meshing of the actual gears, apposed to pushing a button like a video game.

This is merely idle conversation on my part, but it sounds like the difference for you is experiential, rather than performative. No human, regardless how skilled they think they are, can shift faster than a double clutch automatic using either paddles or console shifter as a manual.

 

[hoser]

Well.. it's not exactly the same, since there's no clutch pedal, but it's kind of the same thing, no? I mean, you're controlling the shift points.. And unless you simply like having to exercise your left foot, what are you giving up?

I’m not trying to be rude or snide, but have you ever driven a manual transmission?

I drive because I love driving. I go to the track because I want to be involved in and be the reason for my lap times. I love heel-toeing into a corner, grabbing a gear and pulling out of that corner and having the satisfying feeling of knowing I did that. I was involved. I could mess that all up, or do it perfectly, or pretty good lol. There is a sense of accomplishment. Yeah, missing a shift at the drag strip or racing your buddy sucks, but that’s part of it, working to do better the next time. Improving your launch, etc. All of it is involvement and driving joy.

It has NOTHING to do with fastest, quickest, top speed. It is about driving. I am so sick of the hyper focus on the fastest shifting tranny, the best launch control with perfect RPMs, and traction control aided launches. The fact is, anyone can hop in a new performance car, turn on all the launch control stuff, hold brake, hold gas, lift brake, and point car straight. Zero skill or driver involvement needed.

I want to drive the car. Who cares about the fastest this or that?? I’ve driven a Tesla Plaid, yawn, I’ll take the wife’s manual Honda Accord over that Tesla any day. Everybody talks about the fastest shifting this or the fastest accelerating that, but who ever tests those metrics? Who actually uses their car to that level? Almost nobody. So what does it matter? But start looking at the cars at a local track day or autocross event, almost every one is a stick. These are enthusiasts that love driving, that love their cars, and actually test them at their limits and sometimes beyond. It’s so fun to talk with guys about shifting strategy, when they are changing gears, ways to cut fractions of time off of their lap, and they do that by driving better.

I could go on all day. But the point is, I want to be involved in driving my car, and that gives me satisfaction.

 

[tripowergto Jan2003]

This is merely idle conversation on my part, but it sounds like the difference for you is experiential, rather than performative. No human, regardless how skilled they think they are, can shift faster than a double clutch automatic using either paddles or console shifter as a manual.

Correct. There's a visceral thrill in actually feeling the gears mesh beneath the shifter and the car feels far more tossable/engaging to drive. The driver has absolute control and the nanny's can't override the driver like on electronic automatics. The 8spd auto in my Camaro conv won't allow me to upshift going downhills after it over aggressively downshifts. The cluster states "Shift Denied". F*** you, do as commanded. I didn't spend nearly $50k to be "Denied".

 

[Greg Burr]

I’m not trying to be rude or snide, but have you ever driven a manual transmission?

I drive because I love driving. I go to the track because I want to be involved in and be the reason for my lap times. I love heel-toeing into a corner, grabbing a gear and pulling out of that corner and having the satisfying feeling of knowing I did that. I was involved. I could mess that all up, or do it perfectly, or pretty good lol. There is a sense of accomplishment. Yeah, missing a shift at the drag strip or racing your buddy sucks, but that’s part of it, working to do better the next time. Improving your launch, etc. All of it is involvement and driving joy.

It has NOTHING to do with fastest, quickest, top speed. It is about driving. I am so sick of the hyper focus on the fastest shifting tranny, the best launch control with perfect RPMs, and traction control aided launches. The fact is, anyone can hop in a new performance car, turn on all the launch control stuff, hold brake, hold gas, lift brake, and point car straight. Zero skill or driver involvement needed.

I want to drive the car. Who cares about the fastest this or that?? I’ve driven a Tesla Plaid, yawn, I’ll take the wife’s manual Honda Accord over that Tesla any day. Everybody talks about the fastest shifting this or the fastest accelerating that, but who ever tests those metrics? Who actually uses their car to that level? Almost nobody. So what does it matter? But start looking at the cars at a local track day or autocross event, almost every one is a stick. These are enthusiasts that love driving, that love their cars, and actually test them at their limits and sometimes beyond. It’s so fun to talk with guys about shifting strategy, when they are changing gears, ways to cut fractions of time off of their lap, and they do that by driving better.

I could go on all day. But the point is, I want to be involved in driving my car, and that gives me satisfaction.

With your screen name and this post you are summing up the meaning of Rush's "Red Barchetta".

 

[vette =||= cruze]

It's funny my 2016 Regal 2.0 turbo has 259 hp and 295 lp ft of torque. I guess the newer transmissions are an improvement over the A6 in the Regal.

 

[hoser]

With your screen name and this post you are summing up the meaning of Rush's "Red Barchetta".

I have no idea who or what that is or means. I'm here for cars, not whatever that might be.

 

[Greg Burr]

I have no idea who or what that is or means. I'm here for cars, not whatever that might be.

The song is about the time when cars, or at least old cars were banned. A barchetta could be an old Ferrari or Maserati like below. The song goes into detail about what a thrill it is to drive these cars, hopefully without being caught. Hoser was said a lot by the McKenzie Brothers comedy act from Canada. Rush is from Canada

Song
Rush - Red Barchetta Lyrics | AZLyrics.com

Barchetta

 

[hoser]

The song is about the time when cars, or at least old cars were banned. A barchetta could be an old Ferrari or Maserati like below. The song goes into detail about what a thrill it is to drive these cars, hopefully without being caught. Hoser was said a lot by the McKenzie Brothers comedy act from Canada. Rush is from Canada

Song
Rush - Red Barchetta Lyrics | AZLyrics.com

Barchetta
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Oh gotcha lol! I don’t know why, but I read “Rush” as Russia, and thought you were talking politics, sorry about that. Yeah the wife loves that movie! Part of where I got my screen name. I used to listen to Rush, but that song isn’t striking a chord, I’ll have to look it up.

 

[hoser]

I was randomly watching a video of a tuned CT4-V BW last night, and the wife looked at me and asked, “Will you buy that car for me?” I said yes, but my wallet says no lol! It was the light blue with Carbon package, great looking car. She likes how quick it is, she’s always stoplight racing. . . . part of why I rarely let her drive my car. . . .