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Corvette ZR1 Vs GT-R video Comparison, Edmunds said" the Corvette is unbeatable!"

This doesn't matter how much techs the Nissan put in the GT-R's underhood, but the GM Corvette simply too strong.
I love the ending scene where the Corvett circling the GT-R and smoke the hell out of it. haha....




 

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It's already hot at 11 a.m. as we pull our 2009 Nissan GT-R into the visitor's parking lot at GM's proving grounds in Arizona. The Japanese supercar looks like a spaceship next to the aging, 1960s-era brick buildings that front the massive desert test facility on the outskirts of Phoenix.

Although the few GM employees who see the GT-R barely pay it any attention, we suspect they know why it's here. Somewhere deep inside this test facility there's a 2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 getting prepped for a comparison test, and now the competition has arrived.

We make a few calls and sign a few release forms before a Cyber Gray ZR1 emerges from the main gate and pulls up next to the GT-R. The driver gets out, hands us the keys and gives a friendly warning, "Go fast carefully."

From here on out, it's the King Kong of Corvettes versus the Godzilla of Japan. We'll drive both cars more than 300 miles back to Los Angeles before putting them on a dyno, running our customary round of instrumented tests and wrapping it all up with hot laps on the road course at Streets of Willow.

Burnouts at 75 mph
We're barely out of Phoenix before the 2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 lays down the gauntlet, or more accurately, the stripes. That's right, drop the ZR1 into 3rd gear, nail the throttle and it will light up the back tires at 75 mph before launching you into triple digits.

This will never happen in the all-wheel-drive 2009 Nissan GT-R. Can't do it in a Ferrari Enzo, Lamborghini Murciélago or Porsche 911 GT2 either. Yes, the ZR1 is a truly sick automobile.

After a dozen or so high-speed smokies, we settle into a slightly more relaxed pace on the road west, where the ZR1 proves itself a surprisingly comfortable road car. The Chevy's adjustable suspension soaks up the kind of small bumps that make the GT-R annoyingly jumpy on the highway. Changes in the pavement don't generate nearly as much tire roar as the Nissan produces, either. Tall gearing is another plus for the ZR1, as it cruises at highway speeds with the tachometer needle hovering lazily around two grand.

So far, the ZR1 is mighty comfortable and massively powerful, but there are problems, too. The steering column shudders so much that we actually think there might be a flat tire at one point (a faulty tire-pressure warning sensor isn't helping), while the driver seat is a shapeless blob of leather and foam better suited to watching 12 straight hours of Saturday college football than a 200-mph supercar.

We also notice that the steering wheel appears to be the same unit used in the Cobalt. What, the suede-wrapped wheel used in the $70K Cadillac CTS-V is too expensive? It seems hard to believe given our Corvette's as-tested price of $118,520. Then again, this price includes the truly tasteless chrome wheels, a $2,000 option. Here's hoping for a chrome-stripping desert sandstorm on the way home.

Comfort Mode
Having driven the 2009 Nissan GT-R out to Arizona, we're already all too familiar with the GT-R's road manners. Its adjustable suspension has a Comfort mode, but it merely cracks your teeth into finer pieces than the standard setting. We also notice that truck ruts in the pavement will send the GT-R sailing into the median if you're not paying attention, while concrete highways produce so much tire noise that it sounds like we're riding inside a cement mixer.

That said, smooth stretches of asphalt make the GT-R feel more like a private jet than an automobile. The tire roar disappears, replaced by the faint whine of the twin turbos and a hint of wind noise. The seats are well contoured and firmly bolstered, while the meaty rim of the steering wheel feels substantial in our hands.

The rest of the GT-R's interior is laid out logically and it's solidly built using high-quality materials. Our test car is a Premium model with the optional iPod hookup and floor mats that pegs the price at $80,770. It's not a luxurious cabin, but nothing in it feels cheap, either.

Rating the Power
Once back in Los Angeles, we head straight for the Harman Motive dyno shop to see just how much power these two heavyweights are putting to the ground. Their ultramodern test cell is one of the most accurate setups we've used, so the numbers should be solid and repeatable.

First up is the Nissan GT-R. Its twin-turbo 3.8-liter V6 is rated from the factory at 480 horsepower and 430 pound-feet of torque. All this power is sent through a dual-clutch six-speed transaxle to all four wheels in varying degrees of torque split, depending on traction.

After several very consistent pulls, the GT-R generates 406 hp at 6,000 rpm and 399 lb-ft of torque at 3,800 rpm. The power curves are a little bumpy as the output fluctuates slightly, but they're impressive otherwise.

Next up is the 2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1. With a Roots-type blower feeding the 6.2-liter V8, this engine is rated at 638 hp and 604 lb-ft of torque. It, too, sends its power through a six-speed transaxle, but it all goes only to the 20-inch rear wheels.

Like the GT-R, the ZR1's engine pulls very consistently over several runs. The final numbers are 505 hp at 6,200 rpm and 494 lb-ft at 4,200 rpm and the power curves trace perfectly smooth arcs. No bumps, no dips, nothing.

You might expect the difference between the two cars' results to be greater than the 99 hp we observed. Although this outcome suggests that one manufacturer is being a little less forthright about its numbers than the other, our resident engineers suspect it has more to do with how the two companies dial in the intercoolers during dyno testing.

Straight-Line Horsepower
The next day we head to the test track to run the numbers. The GT-R opened a lot of eyes when it ran 11-second quarter-mile times earlier this year, so our expectations are even higher for the more powerful ZR1.

Launching the 2009 Nissan GT-R is a no-brainer thanks to its electronic launch control system. Set the switches to their appropriate positions, hold the brake, let the engine speed come up and let it rip. After a few consistent runs, our best time from zero to 60 mph is 3.8 seconds (3.5 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip). The quarter-mile goes by in 11.8 seconds at 118.6 mph. These are mighty respectable numbers for an $80K street car, and more important they're numbers that are easily repeatable.

With the 2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1, it's a whole different story. This Corvette might have huge 335/25R20 tires in back, but since they can't even maintain grip when you put your foot down at highway speeds, you can probably imagine what happens when we try to nail it from a standstill.

We try every method possible to get the car out of the hole quickly — slipping the clutch, modulating the throttle and various combinations of both. The result is a best 0-60-mph time of 3.8 seconds (3.5 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and a quarter-mile time of 11.5 seconds at 128.3 mph.

The acceleration numbers of the Nissan GT-R and the Corvette ZR1 might look close, but the ZR1's trap speed says it all, because it's pulling away fast at the end of the run. An impromptu drag race between the two cars shows that although the GT-R can keep up with the Corvette up to around 100 mph, it's all over from there on out.

More at http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=134467
 

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Re: Corvette ZR1 Vs GT-R video Comparison, Edmunds said" the Corvette is unbeatable!"

Wonder how the ZR1 will do against the GT-R V-Spec...

Didnt GM say the ZR1 will beat any production car at any track? ... It still has a tenth of a second to go on the ACR!
 

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Re: Corvette ZR1 Vs GT-R video Comparison, Edmunds said" the Corvette is unbeatable!"

Wonder how the ZR1 will do against the GT-R V-Spec...

Didnt GM say the ZR1 will beat any production car at any track? ... It still has a tenth of a second to go on the ACR!
True enough though the ZR1 has AC, a radio, and tires that allow you to drive in the rain and not have to change them when you get fuel.
 

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Re: Corvette ZR1 Vs GT-R video Comparison, Edmunds said" the Corvette is unbeatable!"

But you guys failed to post the very biased nonsense that a senior editor wrote on page 2. Warning, what you're about to read will indeed make you a little hot-headed:

Senior Road Test Editor Josh Jacquot says:
GT-R vs. ZR-1. Not an easy choice. One is the current king of the hill, one is the former king of the hill. And both deserve the honor.

It's hard to go wrong here. Both of these cars will warp physics in direct proportion to their driver's urges. Both are quicker in any contest of speed than virtually anything else on the road. And when compared against one another, I contend that the differences aren't as great as their numbers indicate. I've driven both these cars. Together. Same road, same time. And there's not a significant enough difference in the way they drive on the street to sway me one way or the other.

The Vette is the quicker of the two in a straight line, but reality says that many drivers will lack the skill or cojones to take full advantage of the Vette's full accelerative abilities. Getting the launch just right in the ZR1 is far more difficult than the switch-flipping required in the GT-R.

Plus, the real world, with its bumps, camber and ruts is a great equalizer. And the GT-R, which is far less compliant, powers through the real world with hardly a nod to its irregularities. Plus, it will always be easier to drive. This is the long way to say that it's just as quick down most roads.
But all this — the acceleration, the handling, the overall similarity in speed — pales in comparison to the real reason I'd have a GT-R. Exclusivity. It's simply far less common. And that makes it more desirable.

Here's the thing: Anyone can have a Vette. And the ZR1's various bits of carbon accoutrement only serve to make it gaudy in my book. There's little here to distinguish it as a special car. Instead, most of the changes simply make it a caricature of itself. And I don't care who you are; if you're spending this kind of money, exclusivity matters.

Because of this, the ZR1 isn't a destination for me, but the GT-R will remain one for quite some time.
Nonsense linked here.

The highly biased hater at Insideline said, in his screaming insanity, that the Nissan is more exclusive than the Chevrolet. If this is so, then why does ebay motors have the following cars listed, highest-priced first?:

  1. Chevrolet ZR-1: $179,000
  2. Chevrolet ZR-1: $160,000
  3. Chevrolet ZR-1: $147,000
  4. Chevrolet ZR-1: $147,000
  5. Chevrolet ZR-1: $147,000
  6. Nissan GT-R: $91,000
  7. Nissan GT-R: $89,000
  8. Nissan GT-R: $80,000
  9. Nissan GT-R: $80,000
  10. Nissan GT-R: $80,000
Indeed, the Corvettes are fetching well above their $105,000 List Price (one nearly double the List Price), with Nissans fetching just $10,00 or so higher than their List Prices.
 

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Re: Corvette ZR1 Vs GT-R video Comparison, Edmunds said" the Corvette is unbeatable!"

But you guys failed to post the very biased nonsense that a senior editor wrote on page 2. Warning, what you're about to read will indeed make you a little hot-headed:


Nonsense linked here.

The highly biased hater at Insideline said, in his screaming insanity, that the Nissan is more exclusive than the Chevrolet. If this is so, then why does ebay motors have the following cars listed, highest-priced first?:

  1. Chevrolet ZR-1: $179,000
  2. Chevrolet ZR-1: $160,000
  3. Chevrolet ZR-1: $147,000
  4. Chevrolet ZR-1: $147,000
  5. Chevrolet ZR-1: $147,000
  6. Nissan GT-R: $91,000
  7. Nissan GT-R: $89,000
  8. Nissan GT-R: $80,000
  9. Nissan GT-R: $80,000
  10. Nissan GT-R: $80,000
Indeed, the Corvettes are fetching well above their $105,000 List Price (one nearly double the List Price), with Nissans fetching just $10,00 or so higher than their List Prices.
Well the fact is; styling is highly subjective. I also find the ZR1 gaudy...yet I would love to own one....same with the GT-R: Gaudy, but I want one. The standard Corvette's styling flows and is almost beautiful....I doubt anyone ever called a ZR1 or a GT-R beautiful! ;)

Another fact is, the GT-R is indeed more rare than a "Corvette". I don't know if there are more GT-Rs than ZR1s....but since a ZR1 is a Corvette, it almost doesn't matter.

"Exclusive" doesn't have to mean "more expensive".
 

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Re: Corvette ZR1 Vs GT-R video Comparison, Edmunds said" the Corvette is unbeatable!"

But you guys failed to post the very biased nonsense that a senior editor wrote on page 2. Warning, what you're about to read will indeed make you a little hot-headed:


Nonsense linked here.

The highly biased hater at Insideline said, in his screaming insanity, that the Nissan is more exclusive than the Chevrolet. If this is so, then why does ebay motors have the following cars listed, highest-priced first?:

  1. Chevrolet ZR-1: $179,000
  2. Chevrolet ZR-1: $160,000
  3. Chevrolet ZR-1: $147,000
  4. Chevrolet ZR-1: $147,000
  5. Chevrolet ZR-1: $147,000
  6. Nissan GT-R: $91,000
  7. Nissan GT-R: $89,000
  8. Nissan GT-R: $80,000
  9. Nissan GT-R: $80,000
  10. Nissan GT-R: $80,000
Indeed, the Corvettes are fetching well above their $105,000 List Price (one nearly double the List Price), with Nissans fetching just $10,00 or so higher than their List Prices.
Glenns,

The writer means that the ZR-1 looks too similar to the stock Corvette. From the portion you quoted: "Here's the thing: Anyone can have a Vette." (Though I hardly think a $45,000 car qualifies as something anyone can have.)

So even though someone's ZR-1 is a hyper-exclusive super performance car, there are tens of thousands of other 2006 and newer Corvettes that look very similar on the road. In comparison, Nissan has nothing else that looks like the GT-R and has not had anything else that looks like it on sale in the US, ever.

I think that focus on exclusivity is stupid, but even if I disagree with it I understand the argument.
 

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Re: Corvette ZR1 Vs GT-R video Comparison, Edmunds said" the Corvette is unbeatable!"

I am impressed with both vehicles yet obviously I'm personally biased towards the corvette.

I'm still laughing my @ss off everytime I jump in my Corvette Z51 for the past year.

This car is kick @ss.

I can only imagine that the 100 grand ZR1 is more so...

I enjoyed the recent article in car and driver too where the Z51 coupe was so highly rated .

I do miss having only the ability to accelerate to 60 in 4.1 seconds versus 3.8 in these hyper expensive sports cars.....

That said having paid for the Z51 in cash gives me a little more room to enjoy many aspects of life..

ZR1 and GTR are cool but they sure are a bigger dent in the bank accounts.

Not sure its worth it for me but for those that gotta have the best of the best..

These two titans have many interesting battles

ZR1 seems to have taken this title ...fwiw.
 

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Re: Corvette ZR1 Vs GT-R video Comparison, Edmunds said" the Corvette is unbeatable!"

Ok, so my only question is about the 20.85% driveline power loss in the ZR-1. Even if the GT-R is underrated on power, it isn't losing that much, and its freakin AWD.

1-(505/638) = 0.208464 or 20.8464%.

1-(406/480) = 0.154167 or 15.17%
or 1-(406/500) = 0.188 or 18.80%
 

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Re: Corvette ZR1 Vs GT-R video Comparison, Edmunds said" the Corvette is unbeatable!"

I am impressed with both vehicles yet obviously I'm personally biased towards the corvette.

I'm still laughing my @ss off everytime I jump in my Corvette Z51 for the past year.

This car is kick @ss.

I can only imagine that the 100 grand ZR1 is more so...

I enjoyed the recent article in car and driver too where the Z51 coupe was so highly rated .

I do miss having only the ability to accelerate to 60 in 4.1 seconds versus 3.8 in these hyper expensive sports cars.....

That said having paid for the Z51 in cash gives me a little more room to enjoy many aspects of life..

ZR1 and GTR are cool but they sure are a bigger dent in the bank accounts.

Not sure its worth it for me but for those that gotta have the best of the best..

These two titans have many interesting battles

ZR1 seems to have taken this title ...fwiw.
I agree, the Z-51 is the perfect balance of power, handling, price, and mpg (yes, 26 mpg with 436 hp is cool IMO) for me. 0-60 in 4.0-4.1 for a hair over $50k, awesome lap times from the mags, and good mpg. Plus the great looks, v8 sound, and a 6-spd manual.

Great choice.
 

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Re: Corvette ZR1 Vs GT-R video Comparison, Edmunds said" the Corvette is unbeatable!"

The GT-R uses an electronic clutch transmission. It's possible that transmission setup is more efficient than a manual transmission.
 

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The GT-R uses an electronic clutch transmission. It's possible that transmission setup is more efficient than a manual transmission.
Regardless, 20% drivetrain loss for a high-end rwd manual trans. still seems pretty high
 

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Glenns,

The writer means that the ZR-1 looks too similar to the stock Corvette. From the portion you quoted: "Here's the thing: Anyone can have a Vette." (Though I hardly think a $45,000 car qualifies as something anyone can have.)

So even though someone's ZR-1 is a hyper-exclusive super performance car, there are tens of thousands of other 2006 and newer Corvettes that look very similar on the road. In comparison, Nissan has nothing else that looks like the GT-R and has not had anything else that looks like it on sale in the US, ever.

I think that focus on exclusivity is stupid, but even if I disagree with it I understand the argument.
You're lying, and on purpose no less. Why?

Here's what the same Senior Editor said about the Mercedes Benz AMG SL-65:
It's Got Wicked
These criticisms aside, the 2010 Mercedes-Benz SL65 Black Series will please anyone who can afford such a masterpiece of craftsmanship, engineering and power. Plus, it offers something none of its competition can match: extreme exclusivity and wicked road presence. Only 175 examples will be brought to the U.S. this year, and it looks meaner than, well, anything else made.

Little about the SL Black's wild, wide shape is inconspicuous. People don't know what it is, but no one will miss it on the road. Mostly, this is thanks to a 4.9-inch-wider front track and 4.8-inch-wider rear track. Moreover, the removal of the mechanism for the hardtop convertible (a measure to reduce weight) means this car is now a straightforward coupe, resulting in a whole new look. The rear roof line is all new, while all three rear windows are a different shape than before.

The only panels that the Black Series shares with the standard SL65 are the doors. Every other panel — the hood, fenders, quarter-panels and trunk lid — are all uniquely shaped for this car and are made of carbon fiber.

There's also a brilliantly integrated rear spoiler that stands proud of the rear deck lid by 4.7 inches above 75 mph.

New Underneath, Too
As with other models in the AMG Black Series line, the SL65's suspension is adjustable. The heavyweight air springs and Active Body Control hardware of the standard car are gone, replaced by conventional coil springs and dampers. The suspension is now fully adjustable for ride height, damping, camber and alignment. The steering ratio is 8 percent quicker as well.

It takes big rubber to handle this much power and weight, and the Black Series has plenty. The front wheelwells are filled by 265/35ZR19 Dunlop Sport Maxx GT tires, while 325/30ZR20 examples are in the rear. Forged OZ wheels are also new — 19-by-9.5 inches up front and 20-by-11.5 inches out back.

The brakes are huge, with 15.4-inch two-piece rotors up front and 14.2-inch rotors in the rear. Six-piston calipers are featured in the front and four-piston calipers are utilized in the rear.

It'll Cost Ya
Not surprisingly, the 2010 Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG Black Series isn't cheap. All its badassness is assigned a dollar value which, in many states, will buy you a nice waterfront property overlooking the lake. And a Corvette besides.

The going rate will be an estimated $300,000 when the Black Series goes on sale in the U.S. in January 2009. This might seem ridiculous to those of you looking for waterfront property or American sports cars. But for those who have the means, this wicked new Black Series — a car that will frighten you and your legal counsel every time you even consider turning off its stability control — is worth every penny.
Notice we're dealing with a car that is not too distinguishable from the SL from which it was derived. There is the price difference, as with the Corvette ZR-1, as well as the minor cosmetics. But substantially similar in appearance.

Now I ask you: why is the Corvette ZR-1 "gaudy"? Why do the purely functional additions of the ZR-1 make it a "caracture of itself" over the base Vette (and Z06), whereas the same Editor said the SL-65 was indeed exclusive? Do you have an answer to this most pressing question? Well?

I do, and the answer is simple: it makes money to ridicule American cars, no matter how superior the car that's facing the ridicule. Consumer Reports knows this. Car and Driver knows this. Edmund's knows this.
But it does not make money to ridicule the American-made car if you report from a different continent. This is why Top Gear gave the ZR-1 it's highest rating. This is why EVO magazine gave the ZR-1 five stars out of five. And we have already read about the exclusivity of the ZR-1 from CAR magazine two months ago.

There's a ton of money to be made in ridiculing American-made cars, provided your audience is dull-witted, claims American citizenship, and is not an enthusiast of the sport.
 

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Re: Corvette ZR1 Vs GT-R video Comparison, Edmunds said" the Corvette is unbeatable!"

You're lying, and on purpose no less. Why?

Here's what the same Senior Editor said about the Mercedes Benz AMG SL-65:
Nope, I was not lying. I just had not done sufficient research by reading other Edmunds articles on top trim levels of other models.

You did the research for me, and now I agree with you. Edmunds is being blatantly hypocritical.

Never chalk up to malice that which can be explained by ignorance. :) Sorry I gave you a hard time.
 

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"Exclusive" doesn't have to mean "more expensive".
Perhaps not, but "desired" plays a part in being exclusive...and when something is desired, people are often more willing to throw down the greenbacks to fetch it. I think the cost people are willing to entertain for the opportunity to take ownership of the ZR1 says something.
 

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Re: Corvette ZR1 Vs GT-R video Comparison, Edmunds said" the Corvette is unbeatable!"

If i could win the lottery......
 

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If i could win the lottery......:rolleyes:
 
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