[erasmus]

Caddy CUVs and Lincoln CUVs have very different approaches to design. The weird thing is that the Caddy is the least Germanic among the utilities, while the opposite is true at Lincoln. Lincoln CUVs (including the updated Nautilus) have a European shilouette with the longer flatter hoods, horizontal belt-lines, prestige gaps, and smoother surfacing. The XT4/XT5/XT6 on the other hand are very short wedge-shaped cab-forward FWD designs with a more hatchback rather than wagon-like profile with more informal linear surfacing. The Lincolns look much more formal and upscale which to some looks fussy, but appeals to tradition luxury customers. Lincoln SUVs are also far more performance oriented than Caddy's so you see vastly superior drivetrains and chassis engineering for Lincoln utilities, while again it's a completely opposite story among the sedans. There is just a colossal engineering gap between the two companies when it comes to SUVs. Caddy is just investing much more into sedans while Lincoln is focusing entirely on utilities. I don't think Caddy is wrong, they likely look at these customers very differently. The good thing is that neither company really seems to care what the other is doing since their approaches are so fundamentally different. Caddy's future is in upscale sedans, Lincoln's future is in upscale utilities.

There is no future in upscale sedans

 

[RedSkyBlackDream]

Probably because the Caddy is probably 6 inches wider. The XT4 is really wide for the segment.

Whoa! I thought they were identical in width.

#Sidenote Isn't Lincoln getting a version of that all electric Ford Mach crossover? Thought I read that somewhere.

 

[InCogKneeToe]

I would still get the Cadillac. Lincoln is too much of a grandma brand.

So is Cadillac, they just want to be a "Yuppie's Car" like BMW. Cadillac has been searching, but now they are neither a Grand Ma's or a Yuppie's Car Brand.

 

[sdotjeezy]

Whoa! I thought they were identical in width.

#Sidenote Isn't Lincoln getting a version of that all electric Ford Mach crossover? Thought I read that somewhere.

I lied BTW....the XT4 is only 2 inches wider than the 19 Escape. Probably should've looked it up first. Doesn't change that the XT4 does look a lot wider, maybe its the styling.

 

[Serpens]

#Sidenote Isn't Lincoln getting a version of that all electric Ford Mach crossover? Thought I read that somewhere.

Yep.

 

[CMiatso DaBang]

Simply based on looks and what we know about the two right now, I'd buy the XT4 without hesitating. To me, it's the superior design both inside and out. As far as driving dynamics go, I couldn't give a **** less since it's a small CUV and not a sports sedan, but I would wager that the Cadillac would take a curve better than the comfort-orientated Lincoln, as that's what their brand seems to be going for, and that's how their recent products drive/are tuned like.

Stuff the Lincoln's up-level motor in the XT4 and you'd have the ultimate small luxury CUV IMHO.

Stuff a GM 2.7L Turbo in there and U'd have the ultimate small luxury CUV IMHO

 

[dannyg]

Probably because the Caddy is probably 6 inches wider. The XT4 is really wide for the segment.

Whoa! I thought they were identical in width...

Yes they’re within 1/2 inch per Autoblog:


https://www.autoblog.com/amp/2019/0...amp/2019/04/18/2020-lincoln-corsair-vs-2019-cadillac-xt4-how-they-compare-on-p/

 

[RedSkyBlackDream]

I lied BTW....the XT4 is only 2 inches wider than the 19 Escape. Probably should've looked it up first. Doesn't change that the XT4 does look a lot wider, maybe its the styling.

It indeed does look much wider than Corsair. Its stance even looks better than its two bigger siblings (XT5 and XT6). It must be the styling though as the XT6 with Caddy's new styling looks tall and narrow for some reason.

 

[jpd80]

XT4 really is a beautiful design.

The XT4 and Corsair are just so different in look, it's not as simple as one is bad or good but more like they are going to appeal very different buyers.

I clear that the Corsair has a more cohesive design in respect to Nautilus, Aviator and Navigator where as XT4, XT5, XT6 and Escalade look to have more individuality in their respective designs.

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[Robert1969]

Sounds to me as though the Lincoln has done their homework and has brought their A-game to the market.


The Lincoln wins in this department, right out of the gate. Anyone know if a more powerful, optional engine is on the horizon for the XT4?

Plenty of people have criticized the XT4's interior as drab and uninspiring. Unfortunately, that design theme is now being carried over to the CT5, and will undoubtedly get adopted in the CT4.

While I'm sure that the materials and fit n' finish in the XT4 are great (and probably the same in the CT5), it's the design language that's ultimately lacking. What's frustrating on this front is that Lincoln's current interior design theme (not to mention other competitors) has not been a closely guarded secret. The interior on the Continental is the oldest in Lincoln's lineup, and it's a solid, attractive, and luxurious looking place to spend time.

Why hasn't anyone at GM Design taken notice and made changes in turn?

Welcome to GM Inside News where sales figures determine which vehicle is the best. I bet XT4 will outsell the Corsair, and thereby proving it is the best vehicle in the segment.

 

[Robert1969]

In the last two days I have seen two XT4s in the wild. Yesterday I saw a premium luxury in silver paint. The silver paint takes the edge off the XT4. I don’t think that is unique to the XT4, silver is not a very flattering color on vehicles except in a studio with exact right lighting conditions.

The XT4 I saw today was a white Sport. It was stunning. I already was impressed with the photos I have seen of the XT4. It looked even more striking in person. Absolutely gorgeous car. As Car and Driver said it, on the exterior, it has concept car looks. I usually despise SUVs and think almost all of them are ugly. The XT4 is one of the few SUVs that I find gorgeous. The Corsair looks sweet as well, but I would tale the XT4 over it.

Don’t really care about the availability of the 2.3T on the Corsair, and I am betting not a lot of shoppers will care. And for those who focus on power and driving dynamics on SUVs will choose the third SUV that I find beautiful and that’s the Stelvio.

 

[jpd80]

It indeed does look much wider than Corsair. Its stance even looks better than its two bigger siblings (XT5 and XT6). It must be the styling though as the XT6 with Caddy's new styling looks tall and narrow for some reason.

The new Corsair is a close match for XT4, inside and out. The MKC is roughly 3" narrower than the other two, the Corsair addresses that and corrects MKC's shortfalls in interior dimensions.

External Dimensions
Vehicle............Length........Width..........Height..........Wheelbase
XT4................181.0".........76.7"..........64.1"..............109.4"
Corsair............180.6".........76.2"..........64.1"..............106.7"
MKC...............179.2".........73.4............65.2"..............105.9"

Interior dimensions - Front
Vehicle..........Shoulder........Hip............Leg........Headroom
XT4................57.0"...........54.5".........40.4"........39.4"
Corsair............57.1"..........55.6"..........43.2"........39.5"
MKC...............56.0"...........54.4...........42.8"........39.6"

Interior dimensions - Rear
Vehicle..........Shoulder.........Hip...........Leg........Headroom
XT4................55.1"...........49.8".........38.3"........39.5"
Corsair............56.3"..........50.8"..........38.6"........38.7"
MKC...............55.3"...........52.8"..........36.8"........38.0"

 

[Robert1969]

Plenty of people have criticized the XT4's interior as drab and uninspiring. Unfortunately, that design theme is now being carried over to the CT5, and will undoubtedly get adopted in the CT4.

Do I live in an alternate universe or something? The CT5 and XT4 look nothing alike in terms of interior design. The CT5’s interior is more of an evolution of the current CTS/ATS than a anything in the XT4.

As for the XT4 interior design, I love it. Does it have the most dramatic presentation? No. But there are plenty of people who see very dramatic and stylized interiors and see them as over-the-top. I, for one, prefer the more understated design of the XT4, at least in that segment. Now, at a higher price point, for example, the Escalade, I would like more drama.

The great thing about XT4 as well as the CT5’s interior, even as they have different designs, is that they achieve a credible feeling of luxury in an understated fashion that might be important to a young upwardly-mobile professional who wants a luxury vehicle whereas you don’t show up the boss. On the other hand, something like the Escalade should present more drama as that would be the employer’s vehicle and if, per chance, an underling had the privilege of riding in the boss’ vehicle, it would reaffirm the underling status of the employee.

 

[Robert1969]

Stuff a GM 2.7L Turbo in there and U'd have the ultimate small luxury CUV IMHO

Nahh, the ultimate small luxury CUV would be a Cadillac specific engine like the 3.0TT in the CT5. It would be a great engine for a high performance version by whatever name replaces Vsport.

 

[Z284ever]

Part of the problem that you don't hear your kids talking about Cadillac is GM's marketing. When people hear I drive a Cadillac they mock me, until they see my ATS, then they have very favorable "that is cool" reactions. They have no idea what an ATS is, they have zero exposure to one. No one is going to talk about it if they don't know it exists. I've asked a few people what they pictured in their heads when I said I drive a Cadillac; they picture a giant, old mans barge. Cadillac needs to do more to get the word out. They need more Led Zep commercials to capture peoples attention on the tv. They need more youthful vehicles and commercials for the XT4 (which I think Cadillac, for once, is doing a great job marketing).

Cadillac needs to spend $$$ putting their cars into video games (maybe they do?) and inserting advertising where the kids go, GM needs to build awareness in the future generations.

Agreed! At the very least, Led Zeppelin will get the attention of the 50 somethings.

 

[germeezy1]

I would like the internal documentation on everyone responsible for this oddly emaciated, and castrated 2.0T with no available engine upgrade. So that I can prepare their exit interviews, and find true believers who actually desire class competitive engines. 250 hp is the absolutely expected output for even mass market 2.0T engines, and only Lexus shares a similar spot in the power deficit doldrums.

 

[rmc523]

The XT4 and Corsair are just so different in look, it's not as simple as one is bad or good but more like they are going to appeal very different buyers.

I clear that the Corsair has a more cohesive design in respect to Nautilus, Aviator and Navigator where as XT4, XT5, XT6 and Escalade look to have more individuality in their respective designs.

[/QUOTE]

I think they both look good. XT4 is by far my favorite of the Caddy crossover trio (XT4,5,6). It strikes a balance of good stance and not overly styled. There are a few things I don't like about it, but it still looks good.

I think the earlier comparison of Caddy=BMW, Lincoln=Mercedes was a good one. Caddy is taking the more edgy look, and Lincoln the more understated/elegant look. Both have a place in the market. Caddy has a lead because it's had more better, visible products for longer than Lincoln has, which arguably hasn't had much attention until they showed Continental.

 

[Robert1969]

I would like the internal documentation on everyone responsible for this oddly emaciated, and castrated 2.0T with no available engine upgrade. So that I can prepare their exit interviews, and find true believers who actually desire class competitive engines. 250 hp is the absolutely expected output for even mass market 2.0T engines, and only Lexus shares a similar spot in the power deficit doldrums.

Competitors:

BMW X1 228 hp

Mercedes GLA 208hp

Lexus NX 235hp

Acura RDX 272hp

Infiniti QX50 268hp

The XT4 has 237hp

 

[ksr]

The Corsair looks nice in those pics above. Nice but generic. It's hard to stand out in the sea of CUVs, and it doesn't.

I don't know which will sell better, but the XT4 does at least bring some interesting styling to the game and does stand out a little in a very bland crowd.

 

[Z284ever]

The Corsair looks nice in those pics above. Nice but generic. It's hard to stand out in the sea of CUVs, and it doesn't.

I don't know which will sell better, but the XT4 does at least bring some interesting styling to the game and does stand out a little in a very bland crowd.

Agree. Both nice, but the XT4 has better styling.