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At CIAS, there was a rather large "Design" section. Many of the leading designers were there to give speaches to students and press today.

I got this picture of the back of Chris Bangle's head.

I saw him, but had a slow reaction time I guess.



Is this news? Not really.
 

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This forum reported that he'd been let go from BMW, but I've not been able to confirm this in the press. What gives?
 

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He has "been moved upstairs".

He wasn't fired, but they are giving him a more managerial type job, meaning he isn't designing the cars anymore.

Unfortunately I didn't get to see him speak.
 

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Thanks God someone stopped thim: I guess his mission was complete: to mess-up every car in the lineup-hehe-
 

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If anything what Bangle did for BMW was make them better. BMW is recording record sales and finally has moved away from that boring German design ideology. I'm in the minority, but I applaud Bangle for what he's done there. For once BMW stepped out of their catious designs and did something bold, and as we all know, bold works. If you want proof, look at Nissan, Cadillac, Infinity, etc.
 

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If anything what Bangle did for BMW was make them better. BMW is recording record sales and finally has moved away from that boring German design ideology. I'm in the minority, but I applaud Bangle for what he's done there. For once BMW stepped out of their catious designs and did something bold, and as we all know, bold works. If you want proof, look at Nissan, Cadillac, Infinity, etc.
i agree completely
 

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Originally posted by Randle2I@Feb 12 2004, 09:48 PM
If anything what Bangle did for BMW was make them better. BMW is recording record sales and finally has moved away from that boring German design ideology. I'm in the minority, but I applaud Bangle for what he's done there. For once BMW stepped out of their catious designs and did something bold, and as we all know, bold works. If you want proof, look at Nissan, Cadillac, Infinity, etc.
Lately BMW sales aren't doing that well. Sales are down for every model when you compare Jan. '04 to Jan. '03 Not a good way to start off the year.

MODEL JAN 04 JAN 03
3 Series 6,391 8,389 -24%
5 Series 2,675 2,809 -4%
7 Series 1,197 1,744 -31%
Z3 Series 0 46 -100%
Z4 Series 333 1,292 -75%
Z8 Series 11 31 -65%
TOTAL Cars 10,607 14,311 -26%

X3 Series 783 0 783%
X5 Series 1,989 2,694 -26%

TOTAL BMW Brand 13,379 17,005 -22%

MINI 2,756 2,818 -2%
TOTAL BMW Group 16,135 19,823 -19%
 

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Originally posted by Randle2I@Feb 13 2004, 02:48 AM
If anything what Bangle did for BMW was make them better. BMW is recording record sales and finally has moved away from that boring German design ideology. I'm in the minority, but I applaud Bangle for what he's done there. For once BMW stepped out of their catious designs and did something bold, and as we all know, bold works. If you want proof, look at Nissan, Cadillac, Infinity, etc.
Just out of curiosity what’s your opinion of the Aztek? I agree with you, being brave enough to do something unordinary deserves credit, but wondering if you gave Pontiac credit for being bold as well?
 

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well, can anyone really say that he likes those new bmw's? before, altough conservative stylled, their simple presence earned respect. now, anyone looks at them like they are plagued: yes they are oddities. today not anyone is ready to swallow any oddity just because it has a nice tag attached. today competition is tough, wich is good!
 

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I've warmed up to the 5- and 7-, but the Z4 remains weird. The fact that the modern little roadster has already tanked in its second year is a bad sign.

Yet the little retro Mini continues to hold its own.

So much for retro cars not having staying power compared to new and original stuff. The fact is, it's often just the opposite.
 

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Originally posted by tkrelston@Feb 13 2004, 05:49 AM
Just out of curiosity what’s your opinion of the Aztek? I agree with you, being brave enough to do something unordinary deserves credit, but wondering if you gave Pontiac credit for being bold as well?
It could do alot of things well, but it didn't look good doing it. IMO the only thing that comes close in its hideous design is the Element.
 

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Originally posted by ChevyEquinox@Feb 13 2004, 04:39 AM
Lately BMW sales aren't doing that well. Sales are down for every model when you compare Jan. '04 to Jan. '03 Not a good way to start off the year.

MODEL JAN 04 JAN 03
3 Series 6,391 8,389  -24%
5 Series 2,675 2,809  -4%
7 Series 1,197 1,744  -31%
Z3 Series 0 46 -100%
Z4 Series 333 1,292 -75%
Z8 Series 11 31 -65%
TOTAL Cars 10,607 14,311 -26%

X3 Series 783 0 783%
X5 Series 1,989 2,694 -26%

TOTAL BMW Brand 13,379 17,005 -22%

MINI 2,756 2,818 -2%
TOTAL BMW Group 16,135 19,823 -19%
IIRC both Chevy & Ford also posted slow sales in January, as did many other auto companies. Certainly not a good way to start the year, but its also not representative of the year as a whole. Heres what BMW says on the subject.

*edit* the link doesn't take you directly to the article, but its on the front page.
 

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Originally posted by Randle2I@Feb 13 2004, 08:36 PM
IIRC both Chevy & Ford also posted slow sales in January, as did many other auto companies. Certainly not a good way to start the year, but its also not representative of the year as a whole. Heres what BMW says on the subject.

*edit* the link doesn't take you directly to the article, but its on the front page.
I never said the sales were representative of the whole year, don't know why you mentioned that, all I was doing was comparing '03 Jan to '04 Jan and negative numbers across the board for all models isn't good, despite the spin BMW may put on it.
 

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Originally posted by desmo9@Feb 13 2004, 01:43 PM
I've warmed up to the 5- and 7-, but the Z4 remains weird. The fact that the modern little roadster has already tanked in its second year is a bad sign.

Yet the little retro Mini continues to hold its own.

So much for retro cars not having staying power compared to new and original stuff. The fact is, it's often just the opposite.
I belive mini is down 2%... thats not holding its own. Holding its own would be near zero. So much for your retro idea. And without the italian job jacking up sales because its was trendy to have one, I think numbers might have been lower. And hell, they only sell 24k of them a year? 2% decline could lead to a 5%, then 10%.

And as of last year, Bangle only had control over 2 of the cars design, the Z4, and the 7. I personaly love both cars, and think the Z4 is a very sharp looking car. And the 7 Series looks good. Id love to have a 760iL. I think people are bedazled by the i-drive and they move twards an Audi or S series, which seems to also be falling off if Im not mistaken. I think Lexus strikes again, and they are hurting the germans now, not the americans. Lexus is going strait for the top.
 

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Originally posted by bigals87z28+Feb 16 2004, 10:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigals87z28 @ Feb 16 2004, 10:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-desmo9@Feb 13 2004, 01:43 PM
I've warmed up to the 5- and 7-, but the Z4 remains weird. The fact that the modern little roadster has already tanked in its second year is a bad sign.

Yet the little retro Mini continues to hold its own.

So much for retro cars not having staying power compared to new and original stuff. The fact is, it's often just the opposite.
I belive mini is down 2%... thats not holding its own. Holding its own would be near zero. So much for your retro idea. And without the italian job jacking up sales because its was trendy to have one, I think numbers might have been lower. And hell, they only sell 24k of them a year? 2% decline could lead to a 5%, then 10%.

And as of last year, Bangle only had control over 2 of the cars design, the Z4, and the 7. I personaly love both cars, and think the Z4 is a very sharp looking car. And the 7 Series looks good. Id love to have a 760iL. I think people are bedazled by the i-drive and they move twards an Audi or S series, which seems to also be falling off if Im not mistaken. I think Lexus strikes again, and they are hurting the germans now, not the americans. Lexus is going strait for the top. [/b][/quote]
When other models average a decline of about 20%, Mini's 2% drop is very much "near zero". A 2% drop would be a significant negative if every other model posted a 20-30% GAIN, but -2 compared to -19 is a significant positive. It leads the pack by 17%. You have to look at the relative basis, so you can exclude factors like overall market movement. Statistics 101.

The fact that Mini's going on year 2 or 3, and is still steady, is telling. These niche cars leave the gate hot, and you usually see a small decline after the initial buzz wears off (like any hot new car). So steady long-term sales figures point to endurance of the brand. They brought the car back because it is timeless, and as such it will never go out of style. Take the original Beetle. The thing sold for 25 years with barely a design change. Especially if they keep the Mini lineup interesting with occasional specials and paint schemes, the car will remain strong for many more years. Heck, the initial Mini is still highly sought after, even as impractical as it is. The Z4? Well, it's different, but it'll get old pretty quickly. There's nothing timeless about it.
 

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i like the front end/headlamp styling.. its just those rear end's ,that i now learned are nick named "bangle butts" , that i think are odd.
 

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Originally posted by ChevyEquinox@Feb 13 2004, 04:39 AM

Lately BMW sales aren't doing that well. Sales are down for every model when you compare Jan. '04 to Jan. '03 Not a good way to start off the year.

MODEL JAN 04 JAN 03
3 Series 6,391 8,389 -24%
5 Series 2,675 2,809 -4%
7 Series 1,197 1,744 -31%
Z3 Series 0 46 -100%
Z4 Series 333 1,292 -75%
Z8 Series 11 31 -65%
TOTAL Cars 10,607 14,311 -26%

X3 Series 783 0 783%
X5 Series 1,989 2,694 -26%

TOTAL BMW Brand 13,379 17,005 -22%

MINI 2,756 2,818 -2%
TOTAL BMW Group 16,135 19,823 -19%
In total annual sales, 2003 to 2004, I've seen the following (because Jan to Jan sales can be misleading for a number of reasons)

BMW cars UP 6% (from 03 to 04)

BMW SUVs DOWN 5%

7-series DOWN 7%

MINI UP 46%

North American Market DOWN 1%
 

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Originally posted by desmo9@Feb 18 2004, 11:25 AM
In total annual sales, 2003 to 2004, I've seen the following (because Jan to Jan sales can be misleading for a number of reasons)

BMW cars UP 6% (from 03 to 04)

BMW SUVs DOWN 5%

7-series DOWN 7%

MINI UP 46%

North American Market DOWN 1%
I'm not following, annual '04 sales?, all we have is one month's data?

Here's BMW's Global automobile sales, right from their website:

59,080 BMW brand automobiles were delivered to customers in January. This is 8.9% down on the same month last year (64,850).

Where did you see that 6% increase?
 

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Originally posted by ChevyEquinox+Feb 18 2004, 08:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChevyEquinox @ Feb 18 2004, 08:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-desmo9@Feb 18 2004, 11:25 AM
In total annual sales, 2003 to 2004, I've seen the following (because Jan to Jan sales can be misleading for a number of reasons)

BMW cars  UP 6% (from 03 to 04)

BMW SUVs  DOWN 5%

7-series   DOWN 7%

MINI   UP   46%

North American Market  DOWN 1%
I'm not following, annual '04 sales?, all we have is one month's data?

Here's BMW's Global automobile sales, right from their website:

59,080 BMW brand automobiles were delivered to customers in January. This is 8.9% down on the same month last year (64,850).

Where did you see that 6% increase? [/b][/quote]
Uh, right. Give me a shot of aged bourbon... any year, doesn't matter.

2002 to 2003.

But now your figures confuse me... in a post above there are figures of around -20%, Jan 03 to Jan 04. You're quoting -9%. Are your figures global? If so, Beemers global performance exceeds U.S. performance by a fair amount. Interesting.
 

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Originally posted by desmo9@Feb 18 2004, 05:58 PM

But now your figures confuse me... in a post above there are figures of around -20%, Jan 03 to Jan 04. You're quoting -9%. Are your figures global? If so, Beemers global performance exceeds U.S. performance by a fair amount. Interesting.
Correct, globally they're down 8.9%, while the stats I first posted were for the U.S. only. So yeah they're doing better globally but they're still in the negatives, but it is only one month.
 
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