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I figured there might have been some small chance, that GM might have surprised us with a 6th gen Camaro reveal today. When I got to the Chevy press conference a few minutes early, it was obvious that the two vehicles under the covers on stage, were not Camaros. Arggghh....I would have slept in later had I been 100% sure.

One was the new Equinox. I guess it's got some new features, like fancy lights or whatever. There's a whole thread on it elsewhere on the site, if that's what floats your boat. Chevy also revealed the Silverado Custom. Basically a crew cab Silvy, with cloth seats, 20" wheels, a 5.3L and a $33K starting price tag. Essentially a truck like people used to buy before $50-$60,000 was the norm.

Yawn.

I did have a chance to meet and chat with David Leone, Executive Chief Engineer for Cadillac. First time meeting Dave, seems like a cool guy and also a REAL car guy - which is something I especially appreciate. We talked about the the ATS-V, CTS-V and touched a bit on the Camaro - you guys knew I'd have to get around to that, right? :) I'll try to summarize our conversation.

Manual transmissions: I did bring up the point about the CTS-V not offering a manual trans. As we're aware, the CTS-V's, (and ATS-V's), 8 speed, 8L90E auto, can shift far faster than any human can work a shifter and clutch pedal. No arguments there. Dave also reminded me that contrary to popular belief, GM is in business to make money, and the take rate on a manual trans CTS-V would be infinitesimally small. Fair enough. He did mention that he expects the manual take rate on the ATS-V to exceed 15% though. That's because GM expects the ATS-V to appeal to a different performance car buyer than the CTS-V.

Carbon ceramic brakes: Do we remember Dave's comments to one of the big mags, that the CTS-V doesn't need a $9,000 brake option to be track capable? We talked quite at length on this topic. Leone claims that during all of GM's testing, they were never able to get the six piston, 15.4" front and four piston 14.4" rear, steel, Brembos to ever fade. They even ran the CTS-V, flat out for 24 hours on the "Lutz-ring" at Milford, with stops only for fuel, fluids and consumables, and still never faded the brakes. BTW, during that 24 hours, they went through three sets of tires and and two sets of pads, but the rotors were still in good shape. I've always suspected that CC brakes were a VERY PRICEY piece of driveway bling-bling, which virtually no one will use to their fullest extent. I feel even more strongly about that now.

320i vs base ATS: Okay, this has been a peeve of mine. And I guess I figured, Dave would be the guy to tell. Why is it that you can buy a 320i, with BMW's sweet 2.0L turbo, for less money than a base 2.5 ATS? Doesn't make any sense to me, especially as Cadillac is trying to compete toe to toe with BMW. And I also mentioned to him that it's 2.0T is just a detuned version of the same motor in the 328i. Dave responded that the Chinese built ATS has a detuned version of our 272 horsepower 2.0T which makes 220 horsepower. Well......there you go. Don't know if this will have any effect on the ATS line up - but I did get it off of my chest to someone more influential than you guys.

Camaro: We talked a little bit about the Camaro. Here's a highlight. I mentioned how the 5th gen ZL1 was going to be the Z/28, but enough of us moaned and groaned over the prospect of a supercharged, 4200 pound Camaro, carrying the Z/28 emblem, rather than a light weight, high revving, normally aspirated smallblock - as God Almighty had intended - that it was renamed ZL1 and a REAL Z/28 was then developed, (Thanks Al O. and Mark Reuss!!!!!). I mentioned that it appeared to me that we may have to go through the same ordeal again, with a possible LT4 powered, 6th gen, Z/28 in the works. So now, just to be clear, there is no way that a guy like David Leone is going to talk about future products with the likes of me, and I'll tell you that right now. But what I asked was, conceptually what do you think the right formula for a Z/28 should be. He answered that the current formula is the right one. Good! I'm going to hang my hat on that until I hear otherwise.

We talked a bit more on the two V's, most of that stuff you've already heard.

Dave, if you are reading this, feel free to get with your people and drop off an ATS-V or CTS-V, (your choice :)), at my residence, and I'll be happy to post my driving impressions. of either ;) Great meeting you!

I'll post some other impression from the show a little later. I'll look through my pics and see what catches my interest. BTW, I got some undecarriage shots of the Avenir. Omega looks pretty Alpha-esqe to me. I'll post those later as well.
 

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GREAT news anytime we find another "Car Guy" inside GM, and even better when that person is also at the top of the employee chart. Thank you for bringing up everything you did. They need to remember that there are guys like me out here that will not CONSIDER any vehicle that has an automatic transmission, no matter how fast it shifts. I love driving. Shifting my own car myself is part of that experience. Kind of like buying a fish dinner at a restaurant is faster and easier than going fishing.

SO........what the hell is going on with Camaro!??!!?!? Anyone?
 

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This is the rear suspension of the Avenir. I understand that this is not a great picture. I mean the car was spinning on a platform and I had to reach under it with my phone to get this shot...and other people were giving me funny looks. Actually, I got a better look at it in the flesh, than this picture would indicate. If the Avenir is actually an Omega under the skin, then Omega has an Alpha rear suspension. Of course, it could also be a bunch of cobbled together show car components, so in that case, never mind.

But I'm pretty sure, out of all the people who have seen and reported on this car, I'm the only one demented enough to actually peek under it's skirt. :)
 

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Nothing that has come from Total Recall Motors since coming out of bankruptcy save for the Opel Regal has been a great product. All others are either cramped, over-priced, ugly, dull, or a combination of all of those.

There is no evidence that there is anyone at TRM that loves cars. Otherwise the Shamvette would not look like a cheap Chinese ripoff of other companies' works and the Shamaro would not be as dull and antique looking as it is now and will be.

We can see what real car people do at Ford. To suggest there is such at TRM is the biggest joke of the past two centuries.
 

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I wish people from Chevrolet would spend some time at the Dodge exhibit. The place is just chock full of cool cars. Every flavor of badass Challengers and Chargers. Ballsy Durangos. Cool little Fiat 500s. I got a ride in an Abarth today. What a neat piece, fantastic exhaust note. Even the Avenger can be outfitted to be pretty cool. The Chevy area was one long yawn. Just the same collection of generic sedans, crossovers and trucks. They had a Z/28, a base Camaro and a Chevy SS hidden around the corner. They might as well have had them sitting on the loading dock. You had to search them out to find them.

Anyway, back to Dodge, even with a Hellcat there, the Challenger which stole my heart was this one. The Challenger T/A:
 

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This was pretty cool. The KIA Track'ster. I wish I would have been there for the press conference. It's basically a two door Soul with AWD, huge tires, Brembos and 250 horsepower. I ripped off one of Car and Driver's pictures, because I'm too lazy to download my own. :eek:

 

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GM claims they have issues making the big bore LS7 "meet emissions", while the slightly-smaller bore LT1 is fine. smh

The LT1 cam is ridiculously small. If the LT1 could breathe a little higher, it can make over 500 bhp...but that would require re-cert. How about stroking the LT1 and making a 400-416 cid V8? CNC heads, new intake, larger cam? the 0.2L difference between the 7L amounts to about 10 bhp. The cam phasing would make a larger cam invisible to mpg and emissions.

I still wish GM would go back to port injection. How is the carbon issue on the gen V?
 

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I have Gen 2 CTSV 6 piston calipers with 14" Camaro SS rotors front and Gen 2 CTSV 4 piston calipers with 13.4" Z06 rotors rear on my 3750 lb 2006 GTO. They don't fade. Even at the Tail of the Dragon. 15.5" front rotors and 14.4" rear rotors on a ATS V that weighs 3700 lbs aren't going to fade either. CC rotors are unnecessary.
 

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The Ford Police Interceptor was also pretty neat. I mean, who wouldn't want 360 horsepower, AWD and bullet proof doors? The GT350 is badass. Am I the only one who likes the old Ford GT better than the new Ford GT?
 
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GM claims they have issues making the big bore LS7 "meet emissions", while the slightly-smaller bore LT1 is fine. smh

The LT1 cam is ridiculously small. If the LT1 could breathe a little higher, it can make over 500 bhp...but that would require re-cert. How about stroking the LT1 and making a 400-416 cid V8? CNC heads, new intake, larger cam? the 0.2L difference between the 7L amounts to about 10 bhp. The cam phasing would make a larger cam invisible to mpg and emissions.

I still wish GM would go back to port injection. How is the carbon issue on the gen V?
I agree. But check out the ridiculous cam specs and split on the LT4. I've never seen duration like that in a any cam.
 

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GM claims they have issues making the big bore LS7 "meet emissions", while the slightly-smaller bore LT1 is fine. smh

The LT1 cam is ridiculously small. If the LT1 could breathe a little higher, it can make over 500 bhp...but that would require re-cert. How about stroking the LT1 and making a 400-416 cid V8? CNC heads, new intake, larger cam? the 0.2L difference between the 7L amounts to about 10 bhp. The cam phasing would make a larger cam invisible to mpg and emissions.

I still wish GM would go back to port injection. How is the carbon issue on the gen V?
A bigger cammed LT1, with whatever changes are required to support that, would make a perfect 6th gen Z/28 motor in my opinion.
 

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So sounds to me like if/when high performance variants come out, they'll do something similar to how they did the 5th gen.

I think the performance versions will completely surpass the current cars. For example, I believe that the 6th gen Camaro SS will be on another performance level than the current Camaro SS.
 
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Right, I agree. Just a similar layout. 1LE track pack, Supercharged ZL1, naturally aspirated Z/28 type deal
Right now, this is what I'm getting. 2.0T base, V6, LT1 SS and LT4 Z/28.
 
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