Car and Driver Cover: HELLCAT AND CTS-V (Americas 200-mph sedans)

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69gtsdart

Discussion Starter · Jan 7, 2015

Issue isnt online yet, therefore there isnt any link. From Allpar.com:

Car and Driver magazine, just issued for February 2015, features the new Dodge Charger HellCat road test and the announcement of the 600 plus horsepower Cadillac CTS-V sporting the Z06 Corvette V-8, albeit with less horsepower of the 650 'Vette.

Some rather startling achievements by the HellCat surpassing the Cadillac, including the 204 top speed average of the Charger on an oval that creates scrubbing on the banks that reduces the top speed. Cadillac tested their vehicle at the same track only being able to reach 199 mph.

Car and Driver quote: "What feels like teleportation flings you to 60 in 3.4 seconds and to 128 mph in the quarter-mile. From rest to 170 the hairy Hemi posts an average 0.34 g of acceleration. Pleasure receptors think they've been treated to great sex, a tasty sirloin, and Dutch chocolate ice cream--all at once!"

Test Notes: "A micron too much throttle produces an epic burnout. We found rolling into the throttle produced the best acceleration. Top-gear results are among the quickest ever measured, tying the 30-50 time of the SLR McLaren and the 50-70 time of the Tesla Model S."

The HellCat Charger weighs in at 4,592 pounds, the Cadillac a lithe 4,189.

Starting base price of the HellCat is $64,990, the Cadillac base is $85,000.

There's a nice note about the top speed runs of the Charger HellCat and the Cadillac, you'll have to read the articles yourselves. Plenty of plaudits for Chrysler and questions about the Cadillac.

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As a big fan of both cars, it's nice to see not one, but two American sedans setting standards for the world to match (and we're not even counting the upcoming 691 horsepower Model S "D").

Both are fantastic cars, but I expect the Cadillac to be the better overall track car (regardless of the fact that neither will likely see much track time outside of media events/reviews) with more technology and a better interior at considerably higher cost. That's about as objective as it gets.

GS F what?

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sfbreh

· #3 · Jan 7, 2015

Just compare the two and tell me who's faster, already.

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JBsZ06

· #4 · Jan 7, 2015

Cadillacs cts v......85 grand....didn't know until the article...

Both great cars...hellcat sounds awesome on the street from what I've heard..

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rand49er

· #5 · Jan 7, 2015

I thought that the Hellcat was just a straight-line brick until I saw this of it chasing down a Gen2 CTS-V wagon. Note: One variable not controlled is the driver's ability.

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supraracer

· #6 · Jan 7, 2015

So, all we care about is top speed and that makes the Hellcat better?

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91fairladyZ

· #7 · Jan 7, 2015

Keep in mind that the Caddy has serious aero pushing down on it that limits the top end

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GHull3

· #8 · Jan 7, 2015 (Edited)

sfbreh said:
Just compare the two and tell me who's faster, already.

My print magazine just showed up yesterday. There were far more detailed specs on the SRT than on the CTS-V.

CTS-V:
600hp-600ft/lbs.
4200lbs. curb weight
0-60 = 3.7
0-100 = 8.5
1/4 mile = 12.0
Top speed = 190-200
EPA City/Hwy = 14/22
Estimated base price = $85,000

Hellcat:
707hp/650ft/lbs.
4592lbs. curb weight
0-60 = 3.4
0-100 = 7.2
1/4 mile = 11.4
Top speed = 204 (mfg. claim)
Braking 70-0 = First stop 155ft., Shortest stop 153ft., Longest stop 158ft. No brake fade reported. "Test notes: The longest stop fell in the middle of the six-stop sequence, and the distances hovered around 155 feet. The brake pedal never went limp, even after numerous aggressive stops from more than 170 mph."
300ft skidpad = .94g
EPA city/hwy = 13/22
Price as tested = $69,965 (base $64,990. Add $1995 for Harmon/Kardon stereo, $1195 sunroof, $695 nav, $500 redline paint, $395 bronze wheels, $195 summer tires).

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NeverEnough

· #9 · Jan 7, 2015 (Edited)

Perhaps their specs would be more accurate if they've actually driven the car, but they haven't. So what's the point? Besides, it's 640hp/630tq for the CTS-v and nobody knows what the price will be. The previous generation could do a 12.0 1/4 mile, this is more powerful and lighter...so why would they "guess" 12.0 again?

Worthless article. I wouldn't expect anything reliable or no biased from Allpar either, they're the most extreme set of fanboys I've seen.

I predict straight line acceleration and such being even between the two and the Cadillac doing everything else better. Hellcat is reported at 204mph top speed while the CTS-v is supposedly 201mph. That's far from a conclusive test.

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Dr.Show-Me

· #10 · Jan 7, 2015

GHull3 said:
My print magazine just showed up yesterday. There were far more detailed specs on the SRT than on the CTS-V.
CTS-V:
600hp-600ft/lbs.
4200lbs. curb weight
0-60 = 3.7
0-100 = 8.5
1/4 mile = 12.0
Top speed = 190-200
EPA City/Hwy = 14/22
Estimated base price = $85,000

Hellcat:
707hp/650ft/lbs.
4592lbs. curb weight
0-60 = 3.4
0-100 = 7.2
1/4 mile = 11.4
Top speed = 204 (mfg. claim)
Braking 70-0 = First stop 155ft., Shortest stop 153ft., Longest stop 158ft. No brake fade reported. "Test notes: The longest stop fell in the middle of the six-stop sequence, and the distances hovered around 155 feet. The brake pedal never went limp, even after numerous aggressive stops from more than 170 mph."
300ft skidpad = .94g
EPA city/hwy = 13/22
Price as tested = $69,965 (base $64,990. Add $1995 for Harmon/Kardon stereo, $1195 sunroof, $695 nav, $500 redline paint, $395 bronze wheels, $195 summer tires).

The CTS-V specs look like untested estimates. How Is that a road Test? It's more like A specula-test!

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GHull3

· #11 · Jan 7, 2015

Dr. Show-Me said:
The CTS-V specs look like untested estimates. How Is that a road Test? It's more like A specula-test!

Yes. Very much speculative and I wasn't trying to imply that it was a road test. I just copied the specs from both articles. The CTS-V information for the article came from Tony Roma, chief engineer for the CTS.

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69gtsdart

Discussion Starter · #12 · Jan 7, 2015

NeverEnough said:
Perhaps their specs would be more accurate if they've actually driven the car, but they haven't. So what's the point? Besides, it's 640hp/630tq for the CTS-v and nobody knows what the price will be. The previous generation could do a 12.0 1/4 mile, this is more powerful and lighter...so why would they "guess" 12.0 again?

Worthless article. I wouldn't expect anything reliable or no biased from Allpar either, they're the most extreme set of fanboys I've seen.

I predict straight line acceleration and such being even between the two and the Cadillac doing everything else better. Hellcat is reported at 204mph top speed while the CTS-v is supposedly 201mph. That's far from a conclusive test.

I just want to note that the "top speed" of the Hellcat is just a average...the actual top speed is about 206 mph

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NeverEnough

· #13 · Jan 7, 2015

When you get to above 200, or even 180, does it even matter? I mean, at what point does someone stop caring if a car can do 190 or 200 or 210? So one may or may not have a top speed 3 or 4 mph higher than the other...? What about it's sub 120mph acceleration and characteristics. That's what matters.

That's a big problem with Dodge's outlook on what makes a performance car. They're more concerned with checking boxes to make headlines than actually making a good all around sports/muscle car. This is why the Z06 is selling like hot cakes and the Vipers having it's price slashed. Or why the Zl1 was so impressive and the next will be so much more impressive.

I would surely trust a CTS-V at 200mph more than I'd trust a Hellcat Charger at 180. Seems they weren't too concerned with putting the rest of the car up to the same level as the engine.

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69gtsdart

Discussion Starter · #14 · Jan 8, 2015

Actually with Big Sedans like these, Top Speed is the Ultimate Measurement. when the Newest Generation of the German sedans came out, they braged about them being the Fastest in the business.

And about the Viper, It got its Price Cut because that 15K was was the support of Viper Racing. and also, Please dont compare Viper sells to a Corvette Vipers are made to Order in most cases because of the crazy amount of Color/strip combinations. cant say that about many Vettes.

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JimmyDiablo

· #15 · Jan 8, 2015

Can't compare Corvette to Viper because of......paint options? :fall:

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paul8488

· #16 · Jan 8, 2015

NeverEnough said:
I predict straight line acceleration and such being even between the two and the Cadillac doing everything else better.

It's 20 grand more, I'd sure hope so... but by all reports the Hellcat is one competent machine by all metrics. How a car that heavy handles that well is an engineering feat for sure.

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JBsZ06

· #17 · Jan 8, 2015

I don't know about you guys but I rarely drive over 150 mph.....where are you guys doing 200 mph versus 204...

The roar and sound of the hellcat is off the charts cool. That along with its roll on performance are awesome.

For the total package both on and off the track....I still think the cts v will be superior...and at 20 grand more it needs to be.

I dig the challenger hellcat...that s a bad @ss ride...

Charger has a weird mix of new dart like front end and weird old school side scallops that should have disappeared as the cars front end evolved....or it IMO should have stayed the same. I think dodge did the front end to get the aero to get the claimed 204....

I'd bet the 204 on the charger hellcat is just like the top speed number claim on the last ford gt500...

Meanwhile dodge created a crazy halo car....with the hellcat....

Bad @ss sounding motor on the streetM

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69gtsdart

Discussion Starter · #18 · Jan 9, 2015

JimmyDiablo said:
Can't compare Corvette to Viper because of......paint options? :fall:

Yep and ironically this happened today

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/08/2015-dodge-viper-gtc-1-of-1-free-customs/

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JBsZ06

· #19 · Jan 9, 2015

That special order program for the viper hopefully adds profit to the viper build...

Thanks for the heads up.

I think Chevys engine build for five grands nuts myself......but if enough people do it...I guess it's a good idea.

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sfbreh

· #20 · Jan 9, 2015

JimmyDiablo said:
Can't compare Corvette to Viper because of......paint options? :fall:

Typical Viper owner:

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