[EldoFan]

Damn, it looks like I picked up the right issue of Ward's AW!

This second article I found in the very back of the April issue has an interesting proposal for curbing CO2 emissions.....

The problem today is auto makers make their biggest profits on the least-efficient vehicles. But a state-led surcharge system could help turn that business model on its ear, because buyers willingly would pay more for fuel-efficient vehicles that cut or eliminate their tax bills. Manufacturers could split the difference with consumers, plowing some of those higher profits into fuel-saving technology.

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I don't think this would totally supplant the gas guzzler tax, but rather this 'state surcharge' would be added in on top of that......to me it seems logical--tax the **** out of the least efficient vehicles and you'll see people change their buying habits (hopefully). People will still buy what they want to buy though, so any projected benefits from this proposal remain highly conjectural.

 

[mgescuro]

It's already an idea that is being tossed around.

 

[EldoFan]

It's already an idea that is being tossed around.

What it boils down to is whether the politicos in California (and other environmentally conscious states) have the balls ("political will") to propose and fight for a measure like this.........because up until now, they've been focused more on the industry rather than the consumer.

 

[HoosierRon]

What it boils down to is whether the politicos in California (and other environmentally conscious states) have the balls ("political will") to propose and fight for a measure like this.........because up until now, they've been focused more on the industry rather than the consumer.

Option B: California becomes its own country and joins the EU, UN and OAS.

 

[Slack]

If the tax were something that could be written off at the end of the year, then the people who really need big thirsty vehicles could just write them off anyway. That way John and Jane Doe would be less likely to buy that Suburban to tote little Johnny to soccer, but people like contractors of construction companies could still afford the vehicles they need.

 

[mgescuro]

What it boils down to is whether the politicos in California (and other environmentally conscious states) have the balls ("political will") to propose and fight for a measure like this.........because up until now, they've been focused more on the industry rather than the consumer.

Not to bring a political slant to this, but once the Democrats regain the governorship in the state, these measures that have been tossed around will probably go forward. THat's the simple truth of it.

 

[69nova]

I read in the papers and hear all the discussions about gas but if people really wanted to move toward greater fuel savings, then those areas where gas is needlessly consumed ought to be attacked. The first would be to eliminate high school students from driving to school. The kid having the car serves no value other than him (her) not being seen on a bus (which is the efficient way to get them to and fro). Next are those people who run 125+ hp boats up and down the nation's waterways of which all they do is makes big wakes and kill fish. Limit these people to 25hp--enough for them to maneuver on small medium and maybe 125hp on those great lakes.

 

[igor]

Gas tax with exemption/reduction for low income residents / businesses / non-profits etc ... is still the most effective and EASIEST/CHEAPEST TO GOVERN solution.

Igor

 

[tholland]

I read in the papers and hear all the discussions about gas but if people really wanted to move toward greater fuel savings, then those areas where gas is needlessly consumed ought to be attacked. The first would be to eliminate high school students from driving to school. The kid having the car serves no value other than him (her) not being seen on a bus (which is the efficient way to get them to and fro). Next are those people who run 125+ hp boats up and down the nation's waterways of which all they do is makes big wakes and kill fish. Limit these people to 25hp--enough for them to maneuver on small medium and maybe 125hp on those great lakes.

Why not just outlaw fishing and waterskiing while you're at it.

Seriously... those are horrible ideas!!

 

[New_Mexico_Sunset_on_Rt66]

Ahh, faith in the State! Gotta love it!! <sarcasm>.

If lowering CO2 and getting people to drive less is your goal, I say we already have the disincentive, high gas prices.

High prices alone act as the deterrent. Some people need SUV's, large families and such.

 

[EldoFan]

Ahh, faith in the State! Gotta love it!! <sarcasm>.

If lowering CO2 and getting people to drive less is your goal, I say we already have the disincentive, high gas prices.

High prices alone act as the deterrent. Some people need SUV's, large families and such.

I'd tend to have more faith in states than the federal government on some issues.....

As to families needing Suburbans and the like, that's no problem there....if they have the financial strength to support a large family....they should have the means to buy one (or a used one at the very least)

 

[HoosierRon]

As to families needing Suburbans and the like, that's no problem there....if they have the financial strength to support a large family....they should have the means to buy one (or a used one at the very least)

You can get a 3 year old, 7 passenger Odyssey for $15,000. You don't need "financial strength" to support a large family. It is a matter of priorities: what do you value.

 

[Neanderthal]

Option B: California becomes its own country and joins the EU, UN and OAS.

JOINS???

I thought they did that about 25 years ago.

After all, their new Fuhrer is an Austrian power-tripper isn't he?

Hmmmmmm onder:

 

[Neanderthal]

I read in the papers and hear all the discussions about gas but if people really wanted to move toward greater fuel savings, then those areas where gas is needlessly consumed ought to be attacked. The first would be to eliminate high school students from driving to school. The kid having the car serves no value other than him (her) not being seen on a bus (which is the efficient way to get them to and fro). Next are those people who run 125+ hp boats up and down the nation's waterways of which all they do is makes big wakes and kill fish. Limit these people to 25hp--enough for them to maneuver on small medium and maybe 125hp on those great lakes.

Ahhh, life in Russia. SWEET! :yup:

 

[CJ Thunder]

Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax...

Taxing my choices so its harder for me to make a choice hmm.....


So tax the gas, I buy more because I am in a truck.
Make my registration higher because I am in a truck, another tax.
The gas guzzler tax.

Now this...Why am I FORCED to get better millage?


Guess I will just have to buy my truck in some South American country and drive it up here. Thank god for the NAFTA superhighway...

 

[mbukukanyau]

california already follows European political lead, nothing new here

 

[EldoFan]

Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax...

Taxing my choices so its harder for me to make a choice hmm.....


So tax the gas, I buy more because I am in a truck.
Make my registration higher because I am in a truck, another tax.
The gas guzzler tax.

Now this...Why am I FORCED to get better millage?


Guess I will just have to buy my truck in some South American country and drive it up here. Thank god for the NAFTA superhighway...

Why are you FORCED to get better mileage?? Ask the environazis in whatever state you live in and I'm sure you'd get a great explanation....


The whole point of this is to give the 'green states' another option to deal with their CO2 emissions, so that they don't go bitching and moaning to the feds and thus, making all the rest of us suffer as well.......

 

[F14CRAZY]

I HATE the idea of being "forced" into buying a vehicle or being penalized for buying one

Hmm, outlawing me using my jet skis and students not being able to drive to school? Ever had school lunch? Hell lunch was the highlight of the day for me and my buddies and was my time for my daily burnout with my Reatta

 

[Neanderthal]

I HATE the idea of being "forced" into buying a vehicle or being penalized for buying one

Hmm, outlawing me using my jet skis and students not being able to drive to school? Ever had school lunch? Hell lunch was the highlight of the day for me and my buddies and was my time for my daily burnout with my Reatta

Unlike nova, you probably will not like Russia that much. :nono:

 

[AmericanRevolution]

Or the gov't could keep its **** hands out of the economy like they should and let the market go as it wants. If the people want to deal w/ the higher gas prices, let them, otherwise let them buy something more fuel efficient.

Just the way America is SUPPOSE to be.