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With Its Power Grid On The Verge Of Failure, California Begs Residents To Change Their EV Charging Routines

It appears as though California's plans to become an environmental and socialist utopia are running face first into reality.

The latest dose of reality came this week when the state, facing triple digit temperatures, began to "fret" about pressure on the state's power grid as a result of everybody charging their electric vehicles all at once.

The state's power grid operators have been telling residents to "relieve pressure" from the grid by charging their EVs at off-peak hours, Newsweek wrote.
Well that didn't take very long now did it! This is the result when you allow do nothing, never had a real job in their lives politicians to make these calls with demanding the cart before the horse!
 

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We have been getting these occasional peak demand reduction notices for years, if not decades, long before EVs. EVs are just part of the same set of considerations. It's just common sense that people should charge their EVs at off-peak times. In fact, anyone with an EV should have a time-of-use plan where it's a lot cheaper to charge at off-peak times anyway.
 

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We have been getting these occasional peak demand reduction notices for years, if not decades, long before EVs. EVs are just part of the same set of considerations. It's just common sense that people should charge their EVs at off-peak times. In fact, anyone with an EV should have a time-of-use plan where it's a lot cheaper to charge at off-peak times anyway.
Actually it's common sense to upgrade the grid system before flooding the streets with ev vehicles, as they are essentially a drop in the bucket right now! If they go mainstream, off peak and on peak won't matter because the system clearly can't even handle the extra load now, never mind in the pie in the sky future that those in control of this state have!
 

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This is nothing new. For at least 20 years, we've been told/taught how to utilize power more efficiently and inexpensively.
i.e. Don't run your washer/dryer during peak hours, where cost is higher and utilization is near peak. I never do laundry before 6pm anymore.

Putting out this notice for electric cars is just part and parcel of life. Besides, those who know, can actually schedule their charging schedules anyways on an app. No muss. No fuss.

Besides, CA is already upgrading their power plants in advance of Diablo's shut down. It's a far cry from poor Texas at the moment.
 

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Until we start seeing new nuclear power plants being built all over the country electric vehicles will continue to be a pipe dream.
Fershur. Funny how the greds don't like nuke, yet it's clean and efficient. Oh but it's causing newkyuler wars, can't have that!!

Caracasifornia could solve two problems with one nuke. How about building some nuke desalinazation plants? They're running out of Mother Nature, yet they stubbornly refuse to use the higher orders of their brains by cutting back vegetation a safe distance from high tension lines, and building safe reliable power plants that don't use EVILL PETROL! Or OMG coal!

Some have high IQs, but still no brains. I know a lot of people like that.
 

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This is nothing new. For at least 20 years, we've been told/taught how to utilize power more efficiently and inexpensively.
i.e. Don't run your washer/dryer during peak hours, where cost is higher and utilization is near peak. I never do laundry before 6pm anymore.

Putting out this notice for electric cars is just part and parcel of life. Besides, those who know, can actually schedule their charging schedules anyways on an app. No muss. No fuss.

Besides, CA is already upgrading their power plants in advance of Diablo's shut down. It's a far cry from poor Texas at the moment.
But, if you have been receiving notices like this for 20 years (and I feel like CA has had blackouts for a similar period of time on high demand days, shouldn't new plants have been built already? I'd have a whole house generator running on gas or diesel if I lived in CA, not very green.....
 

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But, if you have been receiving notices like this for 20 years (and I feel like CA has had blackouts for a similar period of time on high demand days, shouldn't new plants have been built already? I'd have a whole house generator running on gas or diesel if I lived in CA, not very green.....
We buy power from out-of-state, so we we outsource our pollution. And there is a power losses from longer range transmission of electricity, I would guess
 

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Lol. Zero Hedge is a far-right libertarian website. Of course they are gloom and doom on California and electric cars. Those are two things they have been trying to tear down for years.

Look at the libertarian utopia of Texas having the same problems but year round. I’m sure this website blamed liberals or socialism for their grid failure.
 

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We buy power from out-of-state, so we we outsource our pollution. And there is a power losses from longer range transmission of electricity, I would guess
They better get building more power lines to transport "clean" power in to support other clean initiatives! Doesn't count if it's out of state and the wind generally blows towards the east, so most of the pollution doesn't make it back to CA! :D :D :D
 

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But, if you have been receiving notices like this for 20 years (and I feel like CA has had blackouts for a similar period of time on high demand days, shouldn't new plants have been built already? I'd have a whole house generator running on gas or diesel if I lived in CA, not very green.....
Well, the first of the rolling blackouts that I can remember was in 2000. So notices like this have been nothing new for 2 decades.
New plants don't pop up overnight. They are being built up. And during that span, the state has decommissioned a number of nuclear plants, with the last one to go in a few years, largely, because they were built near fault lines that weren't known at the time of construction. So that's a smart move.

The population since 2000, has grown by roughly 7.5M people as well. Not to mention the growth of Silicon Valley and all the power needed for the data centers and plants.
California is not a stagnant state, as many of the states in the US seem to be.

California does have an extensive and aging electric grid. Moving to green energy is well-intentioned, if not poorly planned. The power agencies plan for a peak, but when weather doesn't cooperate, and the plan was to sell off excess power instead of using it in-state, then the issues start to arise. I've seen stupid ideas like a "lack of wind" as an issue. But it's really the lack of appropriate storage of the power generated. That too is being taken care of now as well. But again, it's probably an insufficient amount of storage too. Furthermore, CA is dependent on imported power from neighboring states. Except other states are having power issues as well, and can't provide the power needed during extended heatwaves. Even the states natural gas plants can't keep up.

That being said, the state gets >33% of its power from renewable sources, and is ahead of the 2024 goal of 44%.
New buildings are being built to be efficient. A lot of the existing structures are being retrofitted as well. Where possible, solar is being incorporated as well. Every little bit helps.
 

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Well, the first of the rolling blackouts that I can remember was in 2000. So notices like this have been nothing new for 2 decades.
New plants don't pop up overnight. They are being built up. And during that span, the state has decommissioned a number of nuclear plants, with the last one to go in a few years, largely, because they were built near fault lines that weren't known at the time of construction. So that's a smart move.

The population since 2000, has grown by roughly 7.5M people as well. Not to mention the growth of Silicon Valley and all the power needed for the data centers and plants.
California is not a stagnant state, as many of the states in the US seem to be.

California does have an extensive and aging electric grid. Moving to green energy is well-intentioned, if not poorly planned. The power agencies plan for a peak, but when weather doesn't cooperate, and the plan was to sell off excess power instead of using it in-state, then the issues start to arise. I've seen stupid ideas like a "lack of wind" as an issue. But it's really the lack of appropriate storage of the power generated. That too is being taken care of now as well. But again, it's probably an insufficient amount of storage too. Furthermore, CA is dependent on imported power from neighboring states. Except other states are having power issues as well, and can't provide the power needed during extended heatwaves. Even the states natural gas plants can't keep up.

That being said, the state gets >33% of its power from renewable sources, and is ahead of the 2024 goal of 44%.
New buildings are being built to be efficient. A lot of the existing structures are being retrofitted as well. Where possible, solar is being incorporated as well. Every little bit helps.
Every bit helps, but sounds like a lot of bad planning to me. There should've been growth projections, etc. to keep the worlds 5th largest economy & the worlds tech crown jewel from having a 3rd world electric grid. Bottom line is they failed to provide for the people, and if it takes over 20 years to plan and build electric generation (clean or not-clean), then they need to look at their processes - they've paralyzed themselves.
 

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Look at the libertarian utopia of Texas having the same problems but year round. I’m sure this website blamed liberals or socialism for their grid failure.
Well during Texas' power meltdown, their so-called "leadership" blamed windmills. Except the real issue was with their natural gas plants.
 

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Every bit helps, but sounds like a lot of bad planning to me. There should've been growth projections, etc. to keep the worlds 5th largest economy & the worlds tech crown jewel from having a 3rd world electric grid. Bottom line is they failed to provide for the people, and if it takes over 20 years to plan and build electric generation (clean or not-clean), then they need to look at their processes - they've paralyzed themselves.
Oh no argument from me about bad planning or just complete failure in power consumption estimates.

The other thing is, I don't think the state factored in the hotter and longer heatwaves, we've experience over the past decade. And it's worsening too. Then you factor in the wildfire season that now starts in April and ends in October, which damages power lines and causes additional strain... I'm not sure how you can factor in the significant change in climate as well.
 

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Oh no argument from me about bad planning or just complete failure in power consumption estimates.

The other thing is, I don't think the state factored in the hotter and longer heatwaves, we've experience over the past decade. And it's worsening too. Then you factor in the wildfire season that now starts in April and ends in October, which damages power lines and causes additional strain... I'm not sure how you can factor in the significant change in climate as well.
I certainly agree that forecasts are nothing but best guesses and not everything can be foreseen. But, at the same time, its been pretty apparent for 10 years there is a big problem - more than enough time to plan and build generation capacity - and they've still failed to bring things up to snuff. A lesson for other states to not let greenness get in the way of securing necessities for people. I don't think there is anything wrong with saying "our long term plan is to be carbon neutral and this is how we will get there and when, but in the short term we need X number of natural gas plants that can bridge the gap." As natural gas is tried and true, I'd think they could build a few plants in a five year timeframe.

And, not arguing with you per se, I think it is readily apparent that CA's leadership is more pie-in-the-sky than practical reality, hence the massive debt, bungled bullet train, 3rd world electric grid, no-consequence theft, and so on. More heart than sense.
 

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I get a kick out of the people who don't live in California, have an opinion about California, but obviously don't know anything about California.
Any different than the pages of opinions of vehicles we all have, vehicles we've never driven or sat in and information gleaned through reading and past experiences?

I'm happy to be educated if my opinion is misguided.
 

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Lol. Zero Hedge is a far-right libertarian website. Of course they are gloom and doom on California and electric cars. Those are two things they have been trying to tear down for years.

Look at the libertarian utopia of Texas having the same problems but year round. I’m sure this website blamed liberals or socialism for their grid failure.
Texas isn't having problems year round. It's just been two huge issues this year. The winter storms caused so much damage that they just can't repair stuff fast enough to get enough power generation for the summer.
Well during Texas' power meltdown, their so-called "leadership" blamed windmills. Except the real issue was with their natural gas plants.
No, they really didn't. Only one person, the Ag Commissioner really blamed wind power and he is one of the people who dont understand how the power is generated. The governor, even said that the failure was due to oil and gas plants failing.


However, Texas does have a huge amount of power generated by renewable resources, has the largest wind farms in the US and in general one of the best power producers in the US. Ironically, the true problem was that coal generation has almost been halved since 2017 with not much coming online to back up that loss. When one of the two nuclear reactors failed in Matagorda it put even more strain on other plants causing a cascade failure. It just started a disastrous failure that was only relaxed when the temperature starting getting warm enough to get natural gas moving again.


That same winter storm knocked out power in 14 other states including counties that aren't on the Texas power grid but it's just easy to beat up on Texas because they're "deregulated".
 

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Don’t worry the next big shutdowns and restrictions will be climate based. You can bank on that. Not only your movement with your car but you will be forced to have a smart thermostat in your house that the power company can control. Then smart meters that will change your rate based on the temperature you want to keep your house.

Reading all of the justifications as to why the nations grids are not up to par to handle current usage much less the mandated future electric makes it obvious that everyone will just step in line and trust the government that they know what’s best.

The sad part is we no longer have enough people questioning these decisions but just fall in line like the good followers they are.

More control headed your way but it will be based on your movement.
 

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Lol. Zero Hedge is a far-right libertarian website. Of course they are gloom and doom on California and electric cars. Those are two things they have been trying to tear down for years.

Look at the libertarian utopia of Texas having the same problems but year round. I’m sure this website blamed liberals or socialism for their grid failure.
I thought it was funny that all the talking heads were blaming Texas' electricity problem on the wind mills freezing up.....hmmm....it gets a LOT colder in Iowa for a LONGER time and our wind mills didn't freeze up. Perhaps if they had weather proofed them like they were supposed to....
 
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